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  1. Petrolhead#32

    Petrolhead#32 Formula Junior
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    #1 Petrolhead#32, Feb 17, 2023
    Hey all,

    I’m the lucky owner of a ‘99 F355, ‘13 458S, and a ‘21 F8T. Love them all! Missing a V12…

    I'm currently in the market for a used 812 Coupe, up to 10k miles would be fine (I drive my cars quite a bit so not worried about mileage). I'm targeting paying <$400k and I see some nice ones out there, particularly a 2018 model with a nice spec, CPO and 6k miles.

    However, I heard there were some upgrades made in the 2020 year models. I wonder if these updates are really meaningful / significant.

    Thoughts?

    Thx in advance

    PS: posted this in the FF/F12/812 forum as well but got no response. I’m used to having someone in this chat respond right away so trying my luck here… ;)
     
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  2. 430jm

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    #2 430jm, Feb 17, 2023
    I’ve got a ‘20, and the only difference i know of is that later in that year or ‘21 they had to start installing the GPF on the exhaust, which sadly reduces the noise. That beautiful, beautiful noise.
     
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  3. mdrums

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    #3 mdrums, Feb 17, 2023
    Ive been eyeing 812's too and have not heard of any differences other than late 2020 Ferrari started installing GPF's on the exhaust. I'd avoid a GPF 812 honestly because the sound just is not there.
     
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  4. SeattleStew

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    #4 SeattleStew, Feb 17, 2023
    Your question in the 812 section was sufficiently answered. Only difference is that 2021 models received GPF in the USA like others have stated. The production numbers on those with GPF is exceptionally small. I’m not sure what upgrades you’ve heard about.
     
  5. Petrolhead#32

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    #5 Petrolhead#32, Feb 17, 2023
    TBH I only heard vague comments such as 'small upgrades here and there', and another mechanic said 'they’re all good. There’s a few tweaks in 19 and 20'. This is why I come to the chat, because there's actual experience from owners. Everyone responded the same.

    BTW, today I happened to test drive an 2019 SF, and last weekend I test drove a 2021 GTS. I could REALLY tell the difference (I'm very sensitive to engine notes). The 2019 was noticeably louder, albeit not too loud. But the GTS needs the rear window down to really hear it, whereas the 2019 coupe sounded great even with windows up. I care about this, as well as the fact that there were rattles in the GTS and nothing in the SF. I made up my mind, I'd definitely go for a SF.

    Thx.
     
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  6. ipsedixit

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    #6 ipsedixit, Feb 18, 2023
    How many miles were on each car?

    Mileage and run-in will make exhaust tones sound deeper and louder.

    I'd imagine the 2019 had more miles on the ODO than the 2021?
     
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    #7 Petrolhead#32, Feb 18, 2023
    2021 GTS had 6k miles. SF 19k. But I think the difference was bigger than just usage. Maybe not…
     
  8. SeattleStew

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    #8 SeattleStew, Feb 18, 2023
    The difference is GPF and not. GTS has the GPF and will be more muted and have a slightly different tone. These GPFs are so terrible for exhaust sound
     
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    #9 Lagunae92, Feb 22, 2023
    My GTS will sound better than my SF did after I remove the GPF and put HFCs and an X pipe on.
     
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  10. JTSE30

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    #10 JTSE30, Feb 26, 2023
    and the OBD2 code blocker...an essential part of removing the GPF is to fool the ECU into believing it is still there and correctly functioning...
     
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  11. 430jm

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    #11 430jm, Feb 28, 2023
    I’ve heard that voids the warranty?
     
  12. JTSE30

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    #12 JTSE30, Feb 28, 2023
    No doubt but may depend on the specific Ferrari dealer. However physically removing the GPFs is going to impact warranty as well.

    The GPFs are completely pointless on an 812SF, it takes 28,350 miles of driving on a pre-GPF 812SF, per California Air Resource Board, for the 812SF to emit 1 ounce (28.35g) of particulate matter. (See Page 3)

    https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/sites/default/files/classic//msprog/onroad/cert/pcldtmdv/2019/ferrari_pc_a0400098_6d3-6d5_u3-125.pdf

    It is completely without merit to require GPFs on any vehicle.
     
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  13. ryalex

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    #13 ryalex, Feb 28, 2023
    Haven't they found a way to keep the GFP component but take the baffles (or whatever the hell is inside) out? Since it already passes smog check without it...
     
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    #14 todd cloud, Feb 28, 2023
    Particulate matter emissions are only part of the story. The 1 ounce of PM you note is more than enough to poison the NOX, CO, and VOC catalysts downstream. Elevated NOX CO and VOC emissions as the car ages is the main purpose.

    The science supports the GPF. The nanny-state political ideology that inspired the GPF I do not care for.
     

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