1981 BB512 Boxer with 800 miles sells for $36,500

Maybe it's a misprint and the "1" was missing ?

 

With that few miles, I wouldn't have paid that much for it! All of the problems I have had with my 1982 BB512i that I bought in 2002 at 12,xxx miles have been directly related to years on non-use. Imagine what problems a 800 mile Boxer will have? Unless you want a piece of sculpture that looks like a car, go with a car that has been driven.

 

dammit, i knew they were out there. i would have bought it. would take me about 3 years to take the damn thing apart and fix / inspect things. guess i will stick to the 308!!! got to love the Bboxer though!

 

contact the auction they should have all the details

 

Problem is though...the boxer is a hard car to sell...don't ask me why becuase it is a fantastic and beautifull car(well from some angles anyway). I much prefer the raw feel of the boxer to the TR but thats just me.

Why do you guys think the boxer has become a shund Ferrari? It seems to me that they can barely get even what the market says there worth, Why is this? Thoughts are welcome, because these cars are worth much more in my eyes then they are showing.

 

If we talking look alone, the 308 is a little prettier. The rear of the boxer is not quite right. People expect more money from the boxer since it got bigger engine and priced higher to begin with. But now, as far as a fun and pretty sport car goes, the 308 is just right for the money, i think.

 

I totally agree with you here, Frank.

 

I completely agree with Jeff here, although the 3x8 is a Beautiful car it's not worthy of comparison with any Boxer.

Seb

 

I also have noticed that they are difficult to sell. I think for the money most new buyers go for the TR. To me the boxer interior isn't the best. The 308 interior makes the Boxer interior look cheap IMO. Yes I agree the 308 does look better and more finished.

 

308GTS, I don't know what Boxers you have seen, but the interior of a BB512i is much finer than the interior of a 308! The Boxer was Ferrari's flagship of the late 70s early 80s and only the best materials were used. The craftsmanship of the hand made Boxer far exceeds that of the mass produced(by Ferrari standards) 308/328 series too. The quality of the leather as well as the amount used far exceeds that used in the 308/328 series as well. Are you sure you have seen a Boxer before? And Patpong, I have had a 328 and now have a BB512i. THe Boxer has a much better look with flowing lines that the 308/328 doesn't due in part to their smalled stubier size. The 308/328 may be pretty , but the Boxer is gorgeous, at least IMHO as well as from all the comments I have received from others. As far as performance, sound and fun to drive, there is no comparison; the Boxer wins by a long shot. I suppose the 308 does get better gas mileage though and that sideways mounted engine will be more familiar to your average Honda owner. Look at the photos posted at the South Central section for the 7/5 drive and compare the look of the Boxer with that of the 328 and 355 series and see for yourself. By the way, I think the rear-end of the Boxer is one of it's best angles. I think the reason some perceive a Boxer as a hard sell as people who are not enthusiast and are just looking for a cheap Ferrari will opt for one they recognise and that is the 308/328 series. Since the Boxer was never officially imported in the USA, a lot of sub-$100k Ferrari buyers have never even heard of a Boxer. In fact, I have mentioned to others that I have a Boxer and received the response "...that's a Porsche isn't it..."

 

My take on Boxer's and TR's in general is that the "repair cost factor" of these cars, versus newer ones from other manufacturer's, has taken away a lot of the market for old cars and put it into new ones at the price level these cars "used" to command.

In the last 12 months in Canada I've noticed a definite change up here in the market for that stuff. I spent a few months tracking Boxers for a client and they're either TMU, need thousands in the shop, have sketchy histories, stories, are with difficult vendors, they are all "THE BEST IN THE WORLD".....cross-listed numerous times......blah....blah....blah. Oh yeah......overpriced too. It's a tough market right now with cars out there for 2/3 and 1/2 the price, that deliver as much or more performance with a good warranty and equivalent curb appeal.

I love BB's, don't get me wrong. And I want a TR. But the thought of keeping the equivalent to a good used BMW in the bank to cover 2-3 years of maintenance or surprises is the only thing that irks me about it.

 

Kds,I put almost 50k miles on a TR and now have a BB512i. The TR pales in comparison to the fun and experience you get from a Boxer. And, FYI my Boxer has not been any more expensive to own thus far than any of the other 5 Ferraris I have owned except for the 330GTC which cost me nothing but gas and oil.

 

Problem for me Frank is that a BB up here is an easy $25-35K CAD more "asking" than a TR.

That difference in prices is the equivalent of my planned 3 year TR maintenance/repair fund.......so to me a BB is twice as costly.........which is why I wouldn't buy one over a TR, even thought I absolutely love the lines of the car and lust for one madly.

Just out of curiosity....if you did 50K miles in a TR can you roughly guess for me and post what your total service/repair costs came to for your ownership ?

$15-20-25K USD ?? for example.....that would help me, and it's all I'd need to know.....obviously if you sold/traded it when it was needing $5-10K of work, that would have to be taken in to account as well.

 

In the almost 50k miles I put on my 1986 TR I did one engine out major, two oil changes a year, a new clutch slave cylinder, a new fuse box, new TRXs, brake job at Brake-O, had the dash recovered, touched up the spoiler a few times a a few other minor repairs. It was a great car, but it ain't no Boxer!

 

In the last 12 months in Canada I've noticed a definite change up here in the market for that stuff. I spent a few months tracking Boxers for a client and they're either TMU, need thousands in the shop, have sketchy histories, stories, are with difficult vendors, they are all "THE BEST IN THE WORLD".....cross-listed numerous times......blah....blah....blah. Oh yeah......overpriced too. It's a tough market right now with cars out there for 2/3 and 1/2 the price, that deliver as much or more performance with a good warranty and equivalent curb appeal.


Best in the world...That is the term I used, You must be reffering to my car!

Since I listed that ad My 512 bbi recieved the following accolades
Greenwich concours...1st place, best italian sports gt.
NE Lambo running of the bulls...Best in show including Lambo, ferrari,maserati.
Hartford Concours..Platinum and 2nd place... best 12 cylinder ferrari 98+points
Westpoint concours july 18th....Hoping for 1st place.I really prepared for this one...hoping to score 100 points...I'll let you know.

The Best in the world does cost more...I have had an offer 5g's short of my previous asking price...I said no.Waiting for a 100 point score and I'll let it go for $150,000.00....wishful thinking Maybe! But boxers do not get higher than 100 points, thats what makes " Best in World " status.

 

I've seen the photos you posted of your Boxer and it looks great.But, what judging criteria was used to give you car 98 points ? Because as I recall those photos showed that your car had side market lights added as part of the DOT conversion process which would count off at least 5 points according to FCA judging criteria.

 

msdesign....

No actually....I was referring to other vendors with cars of much less calibre than yours.

 

The boxer is a fine car but they do have there issues. Like the transmission being weak, and some parts are begining to get hard to find. The appearance of the car is I think one of the major reasons people will go for a TR rather then the boxer. Form some angles is does look a little kit carish. And it can look like a bigger 308 to the uninformed. The interior is nice, but the plasctic gauges and surround kill the enitre feel. The leather used in the boxer is the same leather as in the 308/328 cars and probably used in the same areas on both cars other then the head liner.

But the cars are magic. I really enjoy driving them and I look forward to them comming in for service because I really like the cars. But looking at it form a buyers persepective I can see why they have become more difficult to sell, other then to sombody who knows what the car is.

As to the comment of alot being sold here in Canada...I don't really agree. I know of 3 bb512's that have been for sale for over 3 years, and knowbody has stepped up to the plate yet. One is a very rare car, one of the last cars to be built and still knowbody has stepped up.
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Hate to disagree. You are passing judgement on a car because it has not been driven. For that price you can afford to replace half of it and it still is a bargain. If I had a choice i would buy the well stored low miles rather than the very high miles of a daily driver. I guess it is a personal preference as I too have had problems with my Boxer which I have owned for many years and did not drive it...I still would buy it because the interior, body etc... are usually in much better shape in the garage queen.