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1971 365 gtb4 Daytona ignition system

Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by HWS67, Feb 16, 2023.

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  1. HWS67

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    I am currently doing an engine bay restoration. Client wants everything to be factory correct. Of all the wiring schematics I have seen here , none are depicting the system he has . This vehicle is a US spec car that was equipped with emissions controls, blue label aec 103 a ignition boxes , dual point 6 lobe distributors and throttle micro switch . This vehicle has no anti hop relay or related wiring to support it ever being there . I have drawn what I believe to be the correct diagram for this application , but i am not sure of the resistor placement or correct ground path of ignition coils . Hopefully one of the many experts here can guide me i. The correct direction. Thanks in advance for any and all information. Hank . Image Unavailable, Please Login


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  2. TTR

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    #2 TTR, Feb 16, 2023
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    Do you have a OE copy or reprint of a "365 GTB/4 Chassis Service Manual Abstract" N. 46/71 ?
    If not, might be worth obtaining.
    While it, like all other Ferrari produced instruction manuals for 365 GTB/4, contains fair amount of inaccuracies/misinformation, it will likely be quite useful for your endeavor.

    I have copies of 4 different OEM wiring diagrams for 365 GTB/4 and none are anywhere close to accurate and/or complete, but I've also made 2 (so far) of my own and while they may not be 100% applicable for every car, they are far closer than any the factory produced.
     
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    #3 Rifledriver, Feb 16, 2023
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    Where are you located? Reason I ask is your best resource would be a well restored or good original car. What we call "An iron blueprint".

    As Timo has so accurately pointed out factory documents can send you down a rabbit hole.

    I might have a decent diagram. I'll look tomorrow.

    As I recall the blue ignition boxes are the small ones in the later cars?
     
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    yes the blue boxes are the small dinoplexes.
    i have an extra chassis service manual available that i will sell.
     
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    Reprints are readily available, probably from most parts suppliers and not very expensive.
    I would highly recommend obtain one if you plan to work on the car.
     
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    I have a reprint, and yes the diagrams seem to be inaccurate.
     
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    I am in eastern PA . I have looked at 3 different cars . 1 73 model and 2 71 models and all are different setups from what is on this vehicle. It is a 3 wire ignition box , I really think that I am over thinking the hookup .
     
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    This is the abstract that is in my manual along with image below . This is what i based mine off of without the anti hop in play . I know my illustration is not correct . I know ground circuit needs interrupting to fire coils , I’m just not seeing it in any illustrations that way with the 103a boxes and no antihop relay .
     
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    Welcome to the world of 365 GTB/4 (& other vintage production Ferraris). :):rolleyes:
     
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    Build date is 07/1971 chassis #14393 . I have recently looked at a 03/1971 chassis #14193 and it has the large dinoplex boxes .
     
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    Have you opened the boxes to determine if the stock Marelli components are still inside? In the last 30 or so years it has been SOP to use the original box to contain modern replacements.
     
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    #15 TTR, Feb 18, 2023
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    ... or inconspicuously by-passing them altogether.
     
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    or just set the dinoplexes to emergenza which bypasses the boxes.
     
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    It wasn't a bad idea to have them but they were not very reliable. I think gutting them and installing aftermarket in the original box was a great idea and based on how many are out there so did a lot of other people.

    Now if we could just have all the old boxes back that we threw away in the old days.

    A restorer friend is doing an F2 car right now and thats what he is doing.
     
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    Considering the really low quality of current Marelli points I'd do everything possible to make old production points last.
    They have turned into such garbage I try real hard not to work on cars of that period.
     
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    I hear you.
    I work on mainly 50+ y.o. vintage cars and not just Ferraris, so I’m constantly having to deal with less than adequate quality service and other parts made today.
    OTOH, I’ve always had a policy not to buy/use anything cheap and more so, nothing made in C***a (and not just automotive), unless absolutely nothing else is available or the item is intended for temporary/throw away use.
    I’ve never had or made enough money to afford a luxury of being cheap.
     
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    i have and they are still oem inside .
     
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    I do have a reprint copy of the service manual
     
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    I do , most of the wiring aspects appear to be correct except for the ignition aspect on this particular car. it is the first time I have seen a breaker point setup that does not show the ground side of coil being broken to discharge the spark .
     
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    this is the same image I have . just from a common sense approach coil ground should be going to the ignition box not direct chassis with no interruption for spark discharge
     

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