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1967 Ferrari 275 GTB/4 by Scaglietti at RM Sotheby's

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  1. Vintage V12

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    Looks like a nice car but I can see many incorrect details from the photos.
     
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  2. Edward 96GTS

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    is nose grill shape correct?
     
  3. 275gtb6c

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    Nose seems ok. Also can’t find any incorrect details (body and interior). Of course the battery is kind of bummer.

    ciao
    Oscar

    ps GTB/2’s has a larger rain gutter and split roof. Don’t know about the GTB/4’s
     
  4. 375+

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    Are you referring to alloy body 275?
     
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  5. rob lay

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    you are not allowed to advertise outside of Classifieds.
     
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  6. Rifledriver

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    I agree. Love the color and I really do prefer them on alloy wheels. I am not a 275 judge but even I see enough to prevent it getting a platinum.
     
  7. Vintage V12

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    It’s my understanding that using Borrani wheel spinners on Campagnolo mag wheels can be dangerous. Not enough threads.
    The wrong side badges, engine bay clamps, horns, platting and hood bumpers isn’t dangerous, just a sign that the restorer didn’t take the time to study details. But it’s got the red book!
     
  8. rob lay

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    how? FerrariChat users know better than Classiche?
     
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    #10 Rifledriver, May 23, 2024
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    And of all that what would prevent Classiche certification? I see nothing that would prevent it except probably the wrong spinners and you can buy new ones all day long.

    The exhaust is wrong too but I do not think Classiche cares about Ansa.


    Sorry. Just read in the text it was converted to electronic ignition. That would be a no no.
     
  10. Vintage V12

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    Those mag wheel spinners are actually not easy to find and once you get a set it’s quite a process to get them restored properly using the correct centers.
     
  11. rob lay

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    Interesting, they have different standards for the 275 than a 355 then.
     
  12. Rifledriver

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    #13 Rifledriver, May 23, 2024
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    No. Seriously what specifically is there besides the spinners and electronic ignition (which I cant see from here). ?
     
  13. Rifledriver

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    One of the problems and inconsistencies is with cars inspected all over the globe many inspectors take it upon themselves to require changes on things Ferrari does not care about. My appraisal and what I was critical of are items of condition or non originality that make no difference in Classiche certification.
    Its why in concours events we politely ignore Classiche certification despite it being pushed upon us by some. There are organizations who want very much for us to rubber stamp any car with a red book.
     
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  14. rob lay

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    I have done Classiche twice, for a 328 and a 355, in both cases they were looking for 100% originality. I'm confused why the 275 wouldn't be anywhere close to a Platinum, but then could easily get the Classiche. You understand Platinum and I don't, but aren't you mainly downgraded for not being orginal?
     
  15. Rifledriver

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    You're right. Its the Borrani spinners that can still be bought.
     
  16. Rifledriver

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    And I have done the inspections and the paperwork. 100% originality is not required.
     
  17. rob lay

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    OK, they were on the 328 and 355 I did. So the answer is the vintage Ferraris probably have different standards and there are variations in inspections among dealers.
     
  18. Rifledriver

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    #19 Rifledriver, May 23, 2024
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    The forms and requested information is the same for all cars. The cars I have inspected are of the same age range as yours.

    It is simply not a concours like inspection. Was never intended to be and the guy the factory had educating people on the program made a very definitive point on that.

    There are countless items Ferrari does not ask about or require pictures of that any restorer would consider essential.
     
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  19. rob lay

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    I'm not denying your experience with Classiche or the form. I'm telling you my experience getting Classiche. It also wasn't the dealer doing anything on their own, it was Ferrari communicating with them on the requirements.

    for your Classiches did you require the original exhaust (no Tubi) on 328 and 355's?
     
  20. Rifledriver

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    Yes but Ansa has been a recognized and in many cases the only replacement for vintage Ferraris. Several of the manufacturers of exhaust of the period are long gone. Few these days, including at Ferrari in Maranello are even aware Ansa was not original.
     
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    makes sense. my main problem was the Tubi, so I think we're on near pages. :)
     
  22. miurasv

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    To qualify for Classiche the car has to be in original mechanical specification and functional. The Certification is subject to qualifications such as stating whether major parts such as the body, engine, gearbox are the original items and/or whether they have been repaired or replaced. The Certificate will still be awarded where for example a 275 GTB has been upgraded to 6 carb spec but it will state that it has been converted.
     
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  23. Marcel Massini

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    Factory build sheets oftentimes list the name of the manufacturer, individual for each car. Problem is that very few people have access to these dox.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  24. DWR46

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    Certifying a 328, or 355 versus a 212, 250, 275 etc., is apples and oranges. Totally different experiences and knowledge level (lack of) by factory personal.
     

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