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  1. asgtech

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    That's correct. The paint was non metallic lacquer. (If the paint isn't Amaranto or Cordoba it's very close.)

    I had Chinetti Motors in Greewich replace the muffler in 1970 or 1971.
     
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    That rules out Rosso Cordoba Metallizzato 106 R 7 then.
     
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    I find this way more intriguing than an Agatha Christie detective novel. :)
     
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  4. Marcel Massini

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    Ok, no Cordoba and no Amaranto.

    Rosso Rubino 106-R-12?

    @Mr. Gagarin:
    Did the car have power windows or not?
    Did the car have any headrests? Driver and passenger? Just passenger? None at all?
    Did the car have seat belts or not?

    And WHO installed that huge radio antenna on the left rear? When you purchased the car, did it already have this antenna or not?

    In the photos of post #1 the car shows the original Italian rear license plate frame (behind the green Vermont plate). At the time of shipping to Jacksonville, FL/USA, were there no license plates at all? Neither Italian nor USA nor any others such as customs or transit plates?

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    #55 miurasv, Dec 8, 2019
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    Is Amaranto a metallic colour?

    Here is 250 TdF 0895GT which is said to be Amaranto.

    Pic by owner Fchat member Roma1280.

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  6. asgtech

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    It did not have power windows. (As best as I can remember)
    It did not have headrests.(As best as I can remember)
    The car had seatbelts. Two inch black straps. I replaced these belts with three or four point racing type belts. Wide lap belt with a lever for attaching the shoulder harness.
    I'm embarrassed to say that I installed the large antenna. It originally had a small pull out antenna in that location.
    It had a Blaupunkt radio. I think AM only. I think I replaced the radio.
    I believe that it had no license plates. I don't remember having any qualms about driving it home from the dock because it had no license plate. Therefore I think I must have brought a set of Florida plates to the dock. As a funny aside, I do remember that there was a thunderstorm on the way home and I had to pull over because I couldn't figure out how to turn on the windshield wipers. I looked in the service manual but remember laughing when I found it was in Italian and of no help. I had to wait out the storm.
    I also now cringe at the thought that I installed the driving lights in the front. I beg forgiveness but back then it was just a car.

    I really appreciate and thank you for all your help. Even if in the end the car can't be identified, I hope that this post has brought to light a heretofore unknown example of the marque.

    Andrew Gagarin
     
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    I have genuflected over your post and given you absolution. They were just cars and we just drove them and enjoyed them. We were lucky to have done so when we did.
     
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    Mr. Gagarin,
    No need to apologize, like any other ever manufactured and assuming it exists today, your old 275 is still “just a car”.

    P.S. Looks like Brian was faster with his offer of absolution. :)
     
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    another clue to its i. d. would be that he bought it in italy and it had an italian owners manual. how many alloy 275’s were delivered new in italy?
     
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    The story {see post #3} was that his GTB had been owned by a Ferrari racing team driver. Any pictures in the 1966 edition factory Ferrari Yearbook maybe?
     
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  11. Marcel Massini

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    35 longnosed six carb alloy 275 GTB's built in total.

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    #62 Marcel Massini, Dec 8, 2019
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    14 (fourteen) longnosed six carb alloy bodied 275 GTB's were delivered new in Italy.
    Of these 14 cars:
    1 was Rosso Cina
    5 were Grigio Argento
    1 Marrone (#08029)
    1 Verde Scuro
    1 Rosso Cordoba (#08051)
    1 Verde Pino
    2 Rosso Chiaro
    1 Celeste
    1 Nero

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  13. Marcel Massini

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    No, it is not. It is flat. Non-metallic.

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    Thanks, I thought it looked non metallic. I wondered why you eliminated it, but I realise now it was because Mr Gagarin had more or less done so along with Cordoba(?)
     
  15. Marcel Massini

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    No Amaranto 275 GTB/6C Alloy built.

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    275 Owners Manual n.01/65 was in Italian/English/French languages. Mr. Gagarin stated that he received a standard Parts Manual(n.03/65) and a brown cover shop manual. I believe that there was one edition of each(both Italian language only) until the Revisions 31-12-65 n.10/66(a supplement to n.3/65).

    No luck in the 1966 YB Charles, just photos of a few privateers competing and some celebrities taking delivery. It might well be a tall tale by the late Sig. Corradini.
     
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    Is 07809 in amongst the 14?
     
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    Steve is 07809 a 6C?
     
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    Claimed to be.
     
  20. Marcel Massini

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    #70 Marcel Massini, Dec 8, 2019
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    If the car in question was REGULAR red, Rosso Chiaro 20-R-190, and not Marrone, Cordoba or Amaranto, and the pix in post #1 are too faded to show the color properly, then there was chassis #08157, an alloy bodied longnosed 275 GTB/6C with a Nero VM 8500 interior, sold new to the Italian Pirelli Tyre Company who used it from 1966 to 1968 for testing and then sold it to the second owner Mr. Pietro Achilli in Milan. 08157 was officially exported from Italy to USA on the 15th January 1969, and as of 1983 was in Thomaston/Connecticut.
    Mr. Gagarin said something of a race driver (Pirelli tyre company) and a sales and/or export date of February to May 1969. And somebody (Dougherty) in Connecticut was mentioned as well. From Danbury to Thomaston it is 37.4 miles, according to google maps.
    Here's a pic of 08157 at the Pirelli proving grounds, pic taken from L. J. K. Setright's book "Ferrari", published by Foulis/UK.
    If Mr. Gagarin's car was this one it may have been repainted a darker red.
    Maybe this is all just pure speculation.

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    #71 Marcel Massini, Dec 8, 2019
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    07809 is an alloy bodied longnosed six carb 275 GTB (originally Rosso Cina) sold new to Lucano Conti, founder and publisher of Italian automobile magazine "Auto Sprint" in Bologna (and later the owner of the superscarce 365 GTB/4 Daytona Berlinetta Alloy #12653 I found in Japan early 2017). Conti was a personal friend of Enzo Ferrari and always got something a bit more special, he also had a 250 GT SWB Berlinetta and several other fabulous Ferraris.
    07809 is the XLVII Torino Motor Show car November 1965 and was raced by Conti in the 8 May 1966 Targa Florio (see superb color photo in Tony Adriaensen's book "Ten Days in Sicily", page 359), entered by Scuderia Nettuno. It later went to Switzerland and then in 1975 it was briefly owned by Jim Glickenhaus in NY and finally ended up in 1979 with Walt Medlin in Kissimmee/FL. 07809 was damaged 13 August 2004 in Medlin's warehouse when the building collapsed during hurricane Charley in FL.

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  22. asgtech

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    I am not familiar with Ferrari paint colors and I do not have an eye for colors. I've found some color swatches and used Photoshop to put them next to the car. I've also overlaid a rear section of the car over Marcel Massini's picture of a car in Amaranto. Cordoba may be metallic, but the color chart doesn't look metallic to me. It could have been metallic but I never knew it.

    What does everyone think.
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  23. Marcel Massini

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    Yes.

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  24. Marcel Massini

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    Rosso Cordoba IS metallic (not flat), see post #35.
    Looking at your photos in post #1 I consider this Amaranto and not metallic, but then your car must have been repainted as originally none of the six carb alloy longnose 275 GTB's were painted Amaranto.

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  25. asgtech

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    This is an exciting match. The export date could have been Jan 15. and the fact that it ended up close to Danbury, CT is certainly an interesting coincidence. The wheels are also correct.

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