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1963 GTO Replica

Discussion in 'Recreations & Non-Period Rebodies' started by Jamie H, Jan 15, 2010.

  1. davidgoerndt

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    #26 davidgoerndt, Jan 17, 2010
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    Here is a direct comparison between the ebay "GTO" and a real 250 GTO. There are subtle differences, but as has been pointed out, there are differences between the real versions also. Both photos have been sized to make both cars nearly the same size. The perspectives of both photos are slightly different ( lens focal length unknown in ebay photo). I will let the experts point out any glaring differences. EDIT: I've added another authentic GTO to the photo, #3729 has three vent slots and slot behind door for a slightly better comparison. Photo angles are not identical and photo was reversed for comparison.
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  2. buurman

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    Allways the same discussions,

    Who owns the original moule/ forms of Scaglietti in Italy?
    Its a little company in Villastellone in the Piemont near Turino.
    This company make ALL the body panels for SWB ,GTO ,TR etc for Italien shops
    all the body shops including F-works buys here.
    The diferrances can be seen on the wheelarches, outcuts ,airscoop .etc
    you can call this the handwriting of that shop.
    The wooden forms/moules has the Scaglietti stamps on it
    They are all located in the basement of this little shop/ factory.
    they mainly work as provider for the Lamborgini work.
    in the USA, GB, NL, etc are also specialised compeny's who produce body panels.
    All/ most the crashed "orginal" SWB,GTO etc have “fake“ bodies too.
    the org, racecars are rebodied several times.
    they were made to drive and race !!!
    there are maybe 50 ? original not restored cars among us

    So this discussion is useless and boring.

    C.
     
  3. calder1

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    You are correct, please dont use the 330 register as a guide line,the 330 chassis was not used and that website is very misleading. , this is a custom bespoke chassis. I will give a personal invitation to anyone who would like to inspect this car and the chassis. This is not a rebody.

    If anyone wants to talk to me direct about this car please PM me
     
  4. Napolis

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    Keep in mind that without a valid Ferrari Vin # "the 330 chassis was not used and that website is very misleading. , this is a custom bespoke chassis" legally this car is a Kit Car and registering it for road use may be an issue.
     
  5. calder1

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    When i am in the office tomorrow i will check on how this car is titled. It does have a title, to clear this concern up.
     
  6. ferraripete

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    hi onno,

    i noticed you had some interest in the car built by jim rose. i know jim and the history on all of the cars built. they are all a tad different but lovely. jim is an icon and a talent like no other!!! if you ever desire more info or get more serious about a rose car, i ham happy to put you in touch with jim or lee holman.

    best,

    peter
     
  7. INTMD8

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    #32 INTMD8, Jan 17, 2010
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    I'm by no means an expert, but as others have said it is easy to spot a car that looks "off", even if all the originals were not identical to each other. In my opinion, the dimensions of the replica are wrong all over the place, such as-

    Angle of fender vents are too vertical.

    Distance between the top of the wheel arch and top of fenders much too thick, especially the front. Distance from bottom of door to lower rocker panel too big. The whole car looks vertically stretched.

    Vent/indentation on sail panel does not match the side glass angle.

    Corners of rear spoiler do not seem to terminate the same.

    Top of windshield seems too high in relation to top of door opening.

    Distance between rear of door opening and front of rear wheel opening is almost double what it should be.

    Cavallino is far too inset into the grill.


    Overall I still think it's a really neat car, just looks a bit goofy compared to an original.
     
  8. ferraripete

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    i too noticed each item you cite.
     
  9. Pass

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    "A" piller is too thick, car overall is just wrong. It is not as graceful as the real ones.
     
  10. VisualHomage

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    Even though these replica threads all become the same thread, with nearly identical criticisms of the car in question, the first thing I noticed awry on this replica (which for a replica is pretty good) was the angle/rake of the front glass. It's too steep an angle, whereas on the real GTOs the windshield is raked back more gracefully.

    I won't mention the other issues because, again, others have done well to point out the possible differences. But the windshield issue bothers me enough to where, with the $300,000 to spend, I would rather look elsewhere and maybe spend even more on a better replica (if that was what I wanted to do in the first place).
     
  11. calder1

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    please remember this has been advertised as a recreation and not the real thing. I think most replicas have differences from the real thing, this is an opportunity to purchase a very good recreation at a fraction of the price of a real one and have lots of fun. I have driven this car and can tell you it is as close as you can get to the real thing without spending the $20m+ .Once again I extend the personal invitiation to anyone that would like to see the car in person and see the difference in the flesh,
     
  12. xs10shl

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    Just based on the "3 GTO" side-by-side post, I'd have to say that its a pretty decent replica to my eyes. I'll bet the 4 liter engine makes it great fun to drive as well.

    I'm fairly certain that a rebodied 250 GTE or 330 GT can wear a Ferrari badge without legal issue (whether people approve or not), and it seems to be pretty customary to allow a car rebuilt from scratch around an old wheel hub and authentic half-mangled chassis to be badged a Ferrari, but with a bespoke chassis made from scratch, can it be badged a Ferrari? Wasn't there some legal issue about that a while back?
     
  13. INTMD8

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    I do believe that anyone owning this car will likely have an enjoyable time with it. I just take issue with a few things mentioned in the ad.

    I don't entirely agree with this statement-

    "Without being shown the chassis number, few individuals are capable of distinguishing this from the original."

    And I also question this-

    "The body has been constructed from templates pulled from an original 4 liter car. Shape and proportion are faithful to the original"

    When there are major differences in shape and proportion when compared to an original.

    Other than that, the overall quality of construction seems to be excellent. Maybe that's why I'm being overly critical, because it seems like whoever built this car likely does posess the skills to re-create one with exact original dimensions.
     
  14. PSk

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    #39 PSk, Jan 17, 2010
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    Only if the chassis started life as a genuine Ferrari chassis.

    I bet this car has the chassis tag off the real chassis :(, otherwise as Jim said it would have to registered as a kit car, or special and most definitely not a Ferrari.

    Based on one of the early posts we already have a link to the donor so this car ... http://www.330gt.com/Detail/6713.html, thus something of the original chassis has to have been used, thus I question the claim that a brand new chassis was built. But heck I don't really care ... :) ... just discussing my opinion.
    Pete
    ps: Personally I wish all the genuine parts were removed to be sold at a wreckers yard and a army devision then used what was left as tank demonstration runs showing how easily they can destroy things. Now if it had not used any genuine Ferrari parts I would not say this ... even if it used but a humble GM engine and gearbox it is a better end result that killing a genuine car.
     
  15. kare

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    Irrelevant. If I badged my toilet seat as a Ferrari, what could you or anyone do about it? Nothing. Best wishes, Kare
     
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  17. JazzyO

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    Thanks Peter, a very kind offer. If I do make that step I'll contact you.


    Onno
     
  18. msdesignltd

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    it really is but 2 million wow. it is 10 cents on the dollar to real one but I'd prefer a extra million and a real just ok 250 spider :)
     
  21. xs10shl

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    Perhaps. So you're saying that if someone imported this car to Italy as a genuine Ferrari there would be no danger of it being confiscated? Again I'm assuming here that the chasis is indeed bespoke and that the real chassis may be out there somwhere.
     
  22. thecheddar

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    Italian law is a different, altogether frightening monster from our own system. What is fine here would be "exposed" there.
     
  23. JazzyO

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    You can get a nice 250 spider for 2 million, just LWB, no?


    Onno
     
  24. Julio Batista

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    If you tried to sell your Ferrari badged toilet seat without Ferrari's permission, somebody would certainly and rightly do something about it.
     
  25. ToddH99

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    You've seen the California Spyder replicas? They leave off the badges to avoid being sued. But 80k for a non-Ferrari lookalike...

    Does look like the turnkey ones are put together well.
     

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