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  1. El Wayne

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    #26 El Wayne, Nov 13, 2013
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    The car in this thread belongs to G. Larry Wilson. He has it registered on Florida plate "BQ3 093" and displays it at events as "1926 Bugatti T-35, chassis no. 409130." Of course, this is not an actual T-35 chassis number.

    At this particular event (the 2012 Winter Park Concours), the display card had a generic description of the Bugatti T-35, with no claims made about this particular car; i.e. no mention of having been run at the Targa Florio three years in a row.

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    #27 El Wayne, Nov 13, 2013
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    The Bugatti works cars for the 1926 TF were:

    Goux, race #18, chassis 4763
    Minoia, race #21, chassis 4762(?)
    Constantini, race #27, chassis 4761
    Dubbonnet, race #15, chassis 4760(?) (Dubbonnet purchased and owned the car, but raced with the works team)

    Do we know which this car is claimed to be?
     
  3. davidgoerndt

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    #28 davidgoerndt, Nov 13, 2013
    Thanks for the update. This has me wondering how rigorous the event organizers are in vetting the entries. I thought the display card listed the Trophy div as the class entered and the rules for this class are very specific regarding replicas, clones etc. More digging is required I think. The number you listed sounds like the number that was mentioned by the person showing the car, curious!
     
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    #29 El Wayne, Nov 13, 2013
    The display card can be seen here. It does say "Trophy Division" at the upper left.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJG56pq6fso]1926 BUGATTI T35 - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    #30 dbw, Nov 14, 2013
    One more thing... The car in question not only is set up for a blower but also has both front and rear clips on the front springs... Standard on a supercharged car. I dunno about the funny chassis number :not a good sign- even a BOC number means the car has a tracable past.. even as an argentine product or a bitsa the lack of a blower is strange.. I wonder if it has a roller crank or a plain bearing... Lots of tecla engines ended up in chassis with exploded crankcases... Also the early targa cars were a mix of t39's 35 t's and strange fendered units nice car tho... Feels a bit dodgy as well
     
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    #31 Smiles, Nov 14, 2013
    I'll bet anything that it has a plain bearing engine and dry clutch.

    Made in Argentina.

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    #32 Onebugatti, Nov 15, 2013
    +1

    I was not sure about his Rolex, it looked ''off'' to me. His teeth also looked new, much to perfect, but nice smile.

    He's a believer, and committed also.
     
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    #33 Smiles, Nov 18, 2013
    I'm still waiting to hear the answer to this one...

    :)
     
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  10. beachmk4

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    #35 beachmk4, Nov 18, 2013
    For what it's worth, the pictures in the above post show the owner, Larry Wilson at the wheel. The photos were taken at his private warehouse. I've been there a number of times to look things over.
     
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    #36 dbw, Nov 19, 2013
    If you have some time look at the rear passengers side crankcase arm ... What do you see? A number( s) ??? What does it say? I jes gotsta know.
     
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    #37 Smiles, Nov 19, 2013
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    I'm curious too. However...

    Take a look at this real 35.

    Some differences in the new Argentinian car:
    More louvers in the new car, kind of like a 51, but different spacing.
    Much bigger brakes in the new car, like a 51.
    Typical Pur Sang dash.

    I'm curious why he's not running a supercharger.
    And what's above the transmission. (Tach drive?)

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    #38 dbw, Nov 19, 2013
    The "real" car pictured is an early unsupercharged car with beaded edge wheels and small brake drums. The lack of any louvers above the side row indicates an unsupercharged car.. The dash mounted magneto indicates a roller crank engine ( not a 35A or " tecla") this car, on the surface, makes sense where the dark blue one has many inconsistencies .
     
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    #39 dbw, Nov 19, 2013
    BTW both cars are running starters on top of the transmission cover ... The dark blue one just has the solenoid mounted on top of the starter motor.
     
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    #40 Smiles, Nov 19, 2013
    You know more than I do, Dave.

    The Pur Sang cars also seem to have a very rectangular cutout for the gearchange lever, while original cars have radiused edges.

    Again, the cars from Argentina are wonderful. They just aren't real Bugattis, and no one should be telling others that they are.

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    #41 Smiles, Nov 19, 2013
    That makes sense. Thanks!
     
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    #42 boxerman, Nov 19, 2013
    I thought the easy way to tell the aregentinian car is that they run a ford distributor not a mag. Does this mean the shiney car is not argentinian.

    Yeah I agree the pur sang cars are awesome, def on my list.
    3 recreations on my list a SPF GT40 comming next year, then a ERa Cobra and then a Pur sang.

    After that i think I will survive moderns.
     
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    #43 dbw, Nov 19, 2013
    I do believe you can get a pur sang with a mag...just more $$$$$
     
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    #44 Smiles, Nov 20, 2013
    You can buy magneto covers for the Ford distributor so that it looks like the real deal. I would bet that's what was done with the shiney car. But you can't rely on that alone.
     
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    #45 boxerman, Nov 20, 2013
    To me if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its a bug. Someone once said that what makes a bug is not where or when it was made, but how it was made and with what materials. Still no reson to misreporesent if that is the case here.

    That we all debate what it is, indicates the argentinaian cars are but for a few small exceptions bugattis, just new built so worth less and more affordable.
     
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    #46 Smiles, Nov 20, 2013
    I agree. With an emphasis on no reason to misrepresent.

    But I agree. I want a Pur Sang.

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    #47 Smiles, Dec 10, 2013
    So... Is this still the real deal?

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    #50 beachmk4, Jun 2, 2014
    FWIW there is a visit scheduled to the Larry Wilson collection on June 29th. He is the owner of the disputed car you all have been speculating on. Here's a chance to see it for yourself and talk with the owner directly. See the Florida section on the forum for more information. It is the one titled "Sunday June 29th...private car collection tour and brunch at the Seminole Inn".
     
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