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10 year old tyres, do i change them?

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  1. Juber

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    Hi all,

    I was checking the date stamps on my PZero Corsa tyres over the weekend and they are around 10 years old. However I have over 5mm tread on them.

    Do I change them for a new set or am I being daft? I dont drive my car hard or in the rain. I tend to use the car for local meets or dinner with the mrs covering no more than 1500/2000 a year.

    Whats your thoughts? and if its recommended do you replace with PZero or go for the well know MPS4S?
     
  2. RedNeck

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    YES.

    Don't put your live and others' lives at risk driving a high performance car on old tires. Just ask Paul Walker.

    As for the type of tires, it seems that the Pirellis have been problematic as of late, I'd stick with the Michelins
     
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  4. Doctor Mark

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    YES and go with Michelins.
     
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  6. alex

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    #6 alex, Apr 4, 2022
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    YES! There are factors other than tire tread that are important when it comes to tires. There are many threads on Ferrari Chat dealing with tires and tire wear. While you're at it, check the age of tires and inflation recommendations on your other cars as well. We tend to forget these things, and the repair shops don't necessarily check the dates either!
     
  7. rob lay

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    If just a showroom car, then you can overinflate the tires and let them sit, but pretty rare even low mileage cars don't drive at highway speeds that require safety of tires less than 3-5 years old. If you are doing hard rallying I would even replace tires every 2 years.

    Older tires even with plenty of tread will have risk because of hardening of sidewall that can cause of blowout and hardening of tread which won't allow you to take that corner you use to take hitting a tree and dying. ;)
     
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  8. Shorn355

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    YES - I don't see what model car you are talking about but would go with Michelins, Bridgestones or Contis

    Cheers
     
  9. rob lay

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    with many tire sizes right now you don't have much of a choice unless you are willing to wait many months.
     
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  11. krazykarguy

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    5mm of tread is basically worn out anyways.

    Low tread + high age = time to replace.

    Additionally, high-grip tires (such as the PZC) trade compound longevity for grip. Yet another reason to replace...
     
  12. rob lay

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    "in good condition" is much more risky than just replacing tires at reasonable intervals. there are too many variables properly inflated, driven often, no flat spots, UV, temps, and humidity. you would have to spend 10x the effort keeping tires "in good condition" for 8 years than just replacing them at 4-6 years.

    anyone that has raced has a good connection to how tires perform 1st cycle, 10th cycle, and couple years old. street tires have a longer life, but not like that significant between some 300 tread rating vs. 100 Dot R's. street use tires will also have more challenges as I mentioned above, especially in our case maybe sitting in the garage a few weeks with slightly suboptimal pressures getting a little unround.

    otherwise I agree with you a street tire cared for perfectly can last longer than the recommended 6 years. :D
     
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  13. Juber

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    Ok, i will get these changed. It will bug me!

    My car is a 360 say on OE Challenge Stradale 19" wheels. Any tyre brand suggestions?
     
  14. Kevin Rev'n

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    In the 360 section the guys were speaking highly of a Michelin product for their cars. I am in the same boat as you with older tires that are due for a swap and will go this way.
     
  15. 430tdf

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    Just to stir the pot!

    From Michelin: https://www.michelin.ca/en/auto/learn/tire-buying-guide/when-to-replace-tires#:~:text=Ten%20years%20is%20a%20maximum,to%20spare%20tires%20as%20well.

    When to replace tires?

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    There is no way to tell exactly how long a tire lasts. The lifespan and mileage of a tire depends of a combination of factors: its design, the driver’s habits, the climate, the road conditions and the care that's put into the tires.

    A few milestones and tips:
    1.Keep five years in mind
    After five years or more in use, your tires should be thoroughly inspected at least once per year by a professional.

    2. Ten years is a maximum
    If the tires haven't been replaced 10 years after their date of manufacture, as a precaution, Michelin recommends replacing them with new tires. Even if they appear to be in usable condition and have not worn down to the tread wear indicator. This applies to spare tires as well.

    3. Proper care expands a tire’s lifespan
    You can increase your tire's longevity by maintaining the correct air pressure, performing regular tire rotations and vehicle maintenance.

    Check our Scheduled care tips

    For original equipment: follow the vehicle manufacturer’s tire replacement recommendations.

    How to check the manufacturing date
    Look for the DOT number on your sidewall.

    Learn how to check my tire's production date with DOT code :

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  16. SirTony76

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    anytime my tires get to be 4 years old, regardless of tread depth--i get new ones. agree with the above going more frequent if you are going on a race track. cost of tires isn't worth your safety. do a nice burnout with the old ones as a send-off!
     
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    lol, some high performance summer tires start out with barely more than 7/32. 5mm is > 6/32, so not worn out using tread depth as a metric.
     
  18. rob lay

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    correct, I use to even shave the DOT R's down to 3-4/32 for the best performance. :)
     
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    I decided to stop using these;)
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  20. Dave Bertrand

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    I view that as an absurd waste of money, but to each his own.
     
  21. SirTony76

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    here are the rough numbers--

    a set of PS4S for my car is roughly $1600 after all said & done

    going 4 years; ends up being $400/year in tire expenses
    going 10 years; ends up being $160/year in tire expenses

    $240/year difference is hardly "absurd" on a $450k car...
     
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  22. Motob

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    New tires are cheap insurance for both the value of your car and your life. You may not think that you drive your car hard, and maybe you just cruise around in it, but when you have an emergency situation, they may keep you from totaling your car and/or killing yourself. How much is that worth?
    The brakes don't stop the car, they stop the wheels from turning. The tires are what stops the car, accelerates the car and controls the direction of the car.

    I have driven cars with 5 year old tires with tread like new that were like driving on ice. The depth of the tread has nothing to do with the traction of the tires. As the tires get older they get harder and wear slower. If you have tires made of stone, the tread depth will not change at all with use. I would rather have soft sticky tires with no tread (as it causes the car to squirm around) than hard tires with tread.

    The only time tread is beneficial is if the road is wet, and it channels the water away so the tire doesn't hydroplane. But real wet race tires are even softer than dry tires. So rock hard old tires with tread are probably even worse than new tires with no tread.

    Brian Brown
     
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  23. Dave Bertrand

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    Sorry, I assumed your car had 260 hp and cost $85k like mine did. I paid 50% less for my house than you did for your car. Entirely different perspective. Please disregard my previous comment.
     
  24. DXB599

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    In Dubai at the annual inspection they check date codes on the tires and anything over 5-years is failed regardless of condition. Probably cheap insurance on any car to replace at 5-years.
     
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  25. 360modena2003

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    All of UAE. I had a set of perfect TRX...had to get brand new ones.

    Probably one of the most expensive tires on Ferrari road cars.

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