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As much as I dislike Glickenhaus, this was his car. He could do whatever he wanted. Personally, I think a Janis Joplin paint job would have been cool.


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my attorney tells me it's just a VIN tag and paper title that make it 'official' so.............

 

Maybe purchased on behalf of a client?

 

Dude go easy on those mushrooms

 

Maybe Perrodo

 

If the car was quietly for sale before, I think Perrodo and Jim would've come to an understanding without Macari getting involved. They were both at Le Mans etc...

 

PS is @Texas Forever really banned? Why?

 

I don't know how to tell if a ban is temporary or permanent (?).
Hopefully a temporary thing.

 

It was, before and after le Mans.

 

Perrodo has bought several cars via Macari that have otherwise been quietly (and not so quietly) for sale from other reputable sellers. I won't pretend to know or understand the nature of their relationship, but such an arrangement is not unheard of, regardless of how it seems to casual observers.

I will say that I hope it was FP that purchased 0854... not only does he have the resources to rectify any issues, but he's also demonstrated that he'll definitely use it!

 

Yes, that collection would be a good place for any car to end up.

 

It could be C. Horner as his 0828 is often exposed un Joe Macari showroom.


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New owner = Francois Perrodo according to Barchetta.

Looking forward to the video of it being thrashed around London.

 

In my mind/view, someone attempting to “maximize value” by needing or relying on someone else providing a “certificate” of their car being correct (whether it is or isn’t) or constantly/continuously following/worrying about its “market value” is usually a sign of an investor/speculator (or just a wannabe such) pretending to be a car enthusiast rather than actually being one.

I personally wouldn’t put much faith in some certificate book, regardless its color of black/blue/pink/red/white/etc or other printed document attesting authenticity just because it says something to that effect, but then again, I’m not looking to buy/own/speculate on any seven or eight figure Ferrari or other similarly priced vehicles and if I was, I’m sure I could find more reliable/trustworthy source(s) than Classiche (known for their less than accurate assessments on more than few examples) to authenticate the prospect should I failed do it myself and/or felt a need for it.
I personally tend to view most of the concours awards, authenticity books/certificates much like “My child was a star student of the month” or something decals/magnets/stickers parents place on their refrigerator doors or minivan/SUV rear windows.

But then again, I’ve never (or more specifically, 40+ years) quite understood why someone would buy an “run-of-the mill” production (vintage) car at any auction, unless the offered example is significantly above/below/different/unique quality or spec from all other similar cars available at the same time through direct/private transactions and something one just has to have due it’s exceptional nature or because it can be had at significantly advantageous price …
… or …
…paying extra for a vehicle because it, at one time or another, had been owned by “someone” else, i.e "celebrity" or whatever.
OTOH, there are lots of other things people do in this world I’ll never understand either, so …

 

So that some wanker can enjoy pleasures publicly attacking/ridiculing (here ?) the new owner for driving incorrectly restored race car on streets, not to mention wearing street tires ?

 

Well its good to just block noise......would be great to see videos of 0854 though.

 

Utter rubbish!

 

Had to google him, as he does not seem to mix in my circles!

Wow some eclectic collection he has, so the guy who tears around London in a Mclaren F1 GTR, good man

As Steve says, no doubt pics will appear soon enough of him doing the same at dawn in his latest acquisition, look forward to them.

 

Impressive nonetheless. Driving that car around on the street, being a part of its history, and then making $20 mil. That other car is a mess (fake chassis number) but this one turned out to be quite the winner.

 

I think you meant to type "Christian Hore" (not Christian Horner).

 

A McLaren F1 GTR...?

He owns 3 F1 GTRs. Harrods, Lark and Caeser...as well as a street car. He is also one of the nicest human being I've ever encountered, proper petrolhead and lovely guy.

I think you're right here - but Barchetta indicates Christian Horner which is where the misinformation may have come from

 

I think he also now owns a second McLaren F1 (#045). He’s also been a regular competitor at Le Mans, usually in the LMP2 class.

 

Am I the only one here surprised 0854 only fetched $27.5 million hammer ($30,255,000 all-in) at Bonhams Quail? This result isn’t a true, accurate barometer/gauge for this segment of the Ferrari collector car market. Please hear me out.

If one were to be 100% honest, it’s more than likely some of the potential serious buyers were put off by the unfortunate fact David Piper’s and Jim Glickenhaus’s names are associated with 0854. Piper’s reputation has been obviously a historically mixed bag, and it was he who singularly rebuilt/resurrected 0854 after its South African fire. And without rehashing the 0846 thread, I wouldn’t be surprised if potential serious buyers might’ve wondered if there might’ve been any possible “cross-pollination” (i.e. by that I mean a potential switching/co-mingling of parts/components) between 0846 and 0854.

And the fact 0854 hasn’t been certified by Ferrari Classiche must’ve surely weighed on the minds of some of the other potential serious buyers. After seeing photographs of the end result of the fire it sustained in South Africa, having a spectrometer analysis done by Ferrari Classiche of the chassis to verify its actual metallurgy is just the sort of reassurance most buyers at this level are yearning for given the circumstances at play here. While many are jaded and skeptical about the necessity of obtaining Ferrari Classiche certification, this case is exactly where such a thing has a huge optics and ergo ultimate value impact.

In fact, I personally know three very qualified buyers who had serious interest in wanting to buy the car. However, to a man, they were each very put off by the Piper/Glickenhaus connection as well as the uncertainty regarding the originality of the chassis.

In conclusion, I think it’s a step too far to conclude that the market is down for stellar, no-story cars in this market segment. Each of the three buyers I know would’ve happy bid in excess of $40 million to “win” this car in auction had it been a top shelf, bulletproof, no-stories example which didn’t have any substantial questions or doubts associated with it.

It would follow then that the No Sale of 250 LM #6053 @$17 million the next evening at RM Monterey was likely a knock-on effect due to the seemingly lackluster result achieved for this 412 P. However, because this particular one provoked many questions and doubts from at least three seriously capable buyers who would’ve otherwise bid, it simply can’t be regarded as a true, accurate market barometer/gauge for this model of collectible Ferrari.

In essence, the relatively meager result achieved for 0854 (for all the reasons enumerated above), served as a “confidence crusher” which set the mood for the other “big” Ferrari competition car of the weekend, namely the 250 LM. Short-term “market momentum” at its finest. That’s why it’s critical to take a deep dive into the “accuracy” of (and the reasons behind) a given short-term market bellwether, etc.

 

You’re not alone in this thought.

To paraphrase The Rolling Stones,
“You’re not the only one
with mixed emotions”.

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In regards to 6053, it seems many feel that there was definitely a knock-on effect, not only from the lackluster performance of 0854 the night before - even if generally understood for reasons you outlined in your post - but also from the uncomfortable-to-watch struggle Artcurial had with 5901 earlier this year...