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Ferrari Testarossa Plastic Nut for Wire Harness on Protection Relay Box

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  1. Oris1391

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    Hi everyone,

    I’m experiencing an issue with the black plastic nut on the wire harness that connects to the black box housing the protection relay. The nut is stripped, and I’m looking for a replacement. Does anyone know where I can find a suitable replacement for this specific part?

    Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
     
  2. Motob

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    There are two harness connections on the box with the protection relay. A small connector and a large connector. The nuts on both of the connectors break with time. It is more common that the large connector breaks first as it has a larger load due to the larger wiring harness.
     

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  4. Motob

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    I always replace the entire connector, which is an involved process and requires a pin removal tool to get the female connector pins out of one connector and into the other.
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  5. Steve Magnusson

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    #5 Steve Magnusson, Dec 2, 2024
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    Search using "C12 C13 AMP" for prior threads about those connectors. If it is just the tabs on the "nut" portion are broken off (or if the nut itself has broken in half), you can buy some new connectors per Brian's suggestions, and cannibalize the new "nut" off of the new connector, cut the old nut off your existing connectors (if necessary), and snap the new nut(s) onto your existing connectors (which avoids needing to move the pins over). The good thing is that the new nuts are from a version of those connectors that is a much better, more robust, design (the fine straight knurl on the stock nuts of the version that F selected was/is just destined to crack).
     
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  6. Oris1391

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    Thank you, I appreciate all the help!!
     
  7. ago car nut

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    I replaced mine a while ago. It takes patience, not hard.
     
  8. Oris1391

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    I’m in the process of replacing mine and found a few burnt wires, I just rebuilt the motor and I’ve been struggling to tune the injection system, and I suspect this may be the culprit as there’s multiple burnt wires.

    I’ve been trying to set the EHA‘s to spec, 10 mA but as the car warms up the EHA just sit at 10 mA and turning the mixture adjuster screw either way does nothing?

    Any suggestions would be much appreciated, it’s a 91 Canadian spec, KE injection.
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  9. Steve Magnusson

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    You certainly need to have good wiring and good connections in the C12 (and C13) round connector. The system will run open loop -- i.e., the EHA currents set to a constant 10 mA (if you are near sea level elevation; at ~5000 ft elevation they will be 7 mA) -- until the coolant reaches a temperature of about 150 deg F and the water thermoswitch on the Y-pipe opens.
     
  10. Oris1391

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    Thank you for the info, my concern is that the injection ECU may have become damaged given the amount of melted wires, is the fact that I have 10ma at the EHA is indicative of the ECU functioning, correct?
     
  11. Steve Magnusson

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    Yes, it's a good sign, but not proof that the ECU(s) is working correctly in every way; whereas, if you had 0 mA during open-loop running = that would be bad for sure (assuming all the wiring/connections are OK).
     
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    Thank you Steve, is there any way to confirm whether the injection ECU are working correctly?
     
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    Measuring the voltage on the single output wire of the O2 sensor (relative to ground) during closed-loop warm idle and confirming that it is "wandering drunkenly", every second or two, between lean (0.1~0.2 VDC) and rich (0.8~0.9 VDC) would be a good sign that the ECU for that bank is working IMO (but the mixture screw needs to be set correctly to give the EHA the ability to make that change over its operating range of 0 mA to 20 mA).

    PS I can confirm that measuring the current in the EHA can be dangerous -- I accidentally shorted the two wires going to one of my EHA together and that blew up the ECU.
     
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    #14 Rifledriver, Dec 7, 2024
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    Many years ago Bosch taught us a test. If you have a way to measure exhaust gas ( And I consider tuning one or most diagnostics without a 4 gas tester a waste of time) ground the O2 connector and it will go full range rich. Put a 1.5 volt battery between O2 connector and ground it will go full range lean.
    I make all adjustments with O2s disconnected to prevent their interference. Once done when reconnected both banks should lean slightly from 1.25 to about .6.
    Make absolutely sure O2s are connected to correct bank. Reversed O2s cause one bank to go full rich and one bank to go full lean.
     
  15. Motob

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    I would take that connector housing off and install all new pins on the melted wiring, as well as looking at all of the pins on both Lambda ECU's. I recommend using Rifledrivers test, as well as measuring O2 sensor voltage with the sensors connected one at a time, to make sure that they cycle across .5v.
    You can make an EHA test harness with Mercedes Benz connectors and connector housings to measure the current without fear of damaging the ECUs.
     

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