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  1. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    Driver of the day was clearly Norris. He was even ahead of Ver with two corners to go. Unbelievable performance. The rest of the field just delivered average performances. Well, apart from Ric who’s market value is descending faster than a crypto price crash.
     
  2. MrF355

    MrF355 Formula Junior

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    I have a question for the Hamilton lovers, why are you not posting on the Mercedes F1 site but only post here?

    I acknowledge Hamilton as a great driver but I would think that he would be able to extract something extra out of his car like Alonso has done when at Ferrari, as Charles and Sainz do with their Ferrari and as Max is currently doing and as he has done in previous years. His Merc is not that far off the pace of the RB his talent should be able to make up the deficit and then some.
     
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  3. ktu

    ktu F1 Rookie

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    We can agree to disagree if you think Hamilton enjoyed a 1 sec advantage the majority of the last 7 years, even though you have no numbers to prove this. You would need to find nearly 200 races of 1 sec advantage to make this true. You can't.
     
  4. Giallo 550

    Giallo 550 Formula 3

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    You’re embarrassing yourself.
     
  5. 375+

    375+ F1 World Champ
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    Apparently that's not possible.
     
  6. ktu

    ktu F1 Rookie

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    Don't worry, I'm not gonna pressure you to produce evidence, I'll give you a pass
     
  7. Giallo 550

    Giallo 550 Formula 3

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    Reading comprehension. Work on it.
     
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  8. ktu

    ktu F1 Rookie

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    Finding majority of races Merc qualified by a second. Work on it.
     
  9. Jeronimo GTO

    Jeronimo GTO Formula 3

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    This.
     
  10. Giallo 550

    Giallo 550 Formula 3

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    It's happened at least once per season since he joined Mercedes and multiple times last season! Stop trying to bend the facts.

    Why don't you try to prove the Red Bull enjoys the same advantage Mercedes had??? The burden of evidence is on you, Deputy Dawg.
     
  11. ktu

    ktu F1 Rookie

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    Again, I have no problem with us disagreeing on Merc being 1 sec faster the majority of hybrid era.
    It doesn't matter as it relates to Redbull at this point. Max is currently in the best car, most the narrative has been if you win in the best car your achievements are diminished. Redbull doesn't have to do things exactly as Merc did it. Best car means best car. That's all that was required for the narrative.
     
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  12. Giallo 550

    Giallo 550 Formula 3

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    Somehow, you've managed to use the "straw man," "false equivalence," and "I'm entitled to my opinion" logical fallacies all in one paragraph. Way to go, Commissioner Gordon!
     
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  13. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Yeah, every other winner is a hero, but not Hamilton who had the benefit of the "best car", and a "dominating team".

    Who buys that crap ?

    Any serial winner has the best car!
     
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  14. Giallo 550

    Giallo 550 Formula 3

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    Where has anyone said anything remotely close to what you are suggesting? Also, Hamilton won in 2018 WITHOUT the best car.
     
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  15. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    He also benefited from Vettel melting through the season, if I remember correctly.

    It's a regular criticism of Hamilton's detractors to pretend that his wins mean nothing, that it's 90% down to his car or that anyone would win in a Mercedes. Go through the threads of the last 7 or 8 years if you don't believe me.

    But when Verstappen starts dominating (all credit to himI MO) in a superior car, the boot is on the other foot, and their logic goes away. So strange ....
     
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  16. furoni

    furoni F1 World Champ

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    Wrong
     
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  17. Natkingcolebasket69

    Natkingcolebasket69 F1 World Champ

    Ah! He is back from his 1980’s vhs f1 marathon!


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  18. Giallo 550

    Giallo 550 Formula 3

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    Who is saying that it’s all Max and not the car?
     
  19. fer312t

    fer312t Formula Junior

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    LOL at the idea that LeClerc's season high trio of 4 places (and 62 pts) is somehow *objective evidence* that he's extracting more than Lewis' (with 3 wins and 150 pts) from their respective machinery. :D
     
  20. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    +1000
     
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  21. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Full radio transcript from Vettel quali. So stupid from his engineer. ''I did say'' Yes as Alonso was hiding inside Vettel's gearbox!

     
  22. MrF355

    MrF355 Formula Junior

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    I did not say that any of the driver's I mentioned are extracting more than Hamilton. What I said is that they are extracting more out of their cars. Hamilton should be able to extract something extra out of his car. He is after all the GOAT for many here.
     
  23. fer312t

    fer312t Formula Junior

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    Yes, I understood what you said, and my reply is still the same.
     
  24. ktu

    ktu F1 Rookie

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    Many are saying it now, they think they slick. But I'm watching them and calling each one out.
     
  25. Giallo 550

    Giallo 550 Formula 3

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    Keep calling them out, using three fallacious arguments at a time.
     
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