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  1. Whisky

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    I WAS planning a road trip to Vegas to see a Raidas game, but not now....
     
  2. TheMayor

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    What I have found in the ticket resales bit is WAIT. You can get a better deal closer to the game. People start to panic and drop the price just to get something instead of nothing.
     
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  4. Whisky

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    That I know, but unless they got from 450 down to 100 it's not happening.
    Yes, I've seen that, but in this case I was planning a road trip around this, and I still may,
    but if I can't get my price, I will just have to continue in to Glendale and do a Cardinals game instead.

    PS - I have photographed hundreds of sporting events both college and pro, this will be the
    first one EVER I am actually BUYING tickets for.
     
  5. TheMayor

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    Won't be 100 unless the Raiders are in last place playing another team in last place.

    Vegas is one place where they expect a lot of out of town visitors to watch visiting teams. Its very true with the Golden Knights, especially Canadian teams.
     
  6. TheMayor

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    Interesting idea... the A's could move into the new Vegas minor league ballpark and probably make as much in ticket sales as in Oakland even though it only has 10K seats. Then spend 2 years building a retractable roof stadium, probably with a seating under 40K. The only issue I can see is that its pretty darn hot during the summer even at night. But our Minor league team has played there. LV ballpark is the best minor league stadium in America. I've been there and its pretty nice.

    If that's the case they could move after this season. The Raiders had to play 2 seasons in Oakland before moving. The LV Aviators is the minor league team of the A's. From what's been reported the Aviators have a better dressing room and facilities than in Oakland!

    Column: Las Vegas Ballpark could be temporary home of A’s

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/sports-columns/ron-kantowski/column-las-vegas-ballpark-could-be-temporary-home-of-as-2358023/

    When it comes to pro sports franchises looking for a new stadium in their home city, you can’t spell leverage without LV.

    This explains why a planned introductory meeting between the Oakland Athletics and Las Vegas officials stemming from the A’s frustration in not being able to get a new ballpark has gone more public than Reggie Jackson in front of a clubhouse full of cameras back in the franchise’s glory days.

    A’s president Dave Kaval, who will lead the fact-finding mission in Las Vegas next week, on Tuesday issued this public warning to A’s fans and decision makers in Oakland city hall during an interview with ABC Bay Area affiliate KGO-TV.

    “We’re running out of time,” said the youthful executive, a Stanford grad who looks even younger than his 45 years, about getting the green light from Major League Baseball to explore opportunities beyond the clickety-clack of the Bay Area Rapid Transit trains.

    “This has been going on for 20 years in Oakland, trying to find a ballpark for the A’s. We have our first trip next week to visit Las Vegas to explore what could be possible there.”

    Should talks advance beyond next week, Las Vegas Ballpark may prove to be an asset more valuable than a starting pitcher capable of throwing seven innings.

    The two-year-old home of the Aviators, by happenstance the A’s top minor league affiliate, could serve as a viable temporary home for the A’s during construction of a new major league ballpark should financing and other considerations be met.

    It is even believed that ticket prices could be adjusted to approach or perhaps even increase the A’s bottom line in comparison to revenue projections at fading RingCentral Coliseum in Oakland.

    During the 2019 season, the last before capacity at MLB ballparks was limited because of the pandemic, the A’s ranked 24th among the 30 MLB clubs with average attendance of 20,521. Through 23 home games this season, the A’s average turnout is just 5,520, less than half the cap of 12,188 per COVID restrictions.

    The A’s average ticket price of $24 is among the lowest in major league baseball. It is considerably lower than the Aviators’ median admission price of around $60. But A’s attendance, except when the Yankees or Red Sox come to town, continues to plummet — much as the Aviators’ did when they were known as the 51s and the plumbing in the toilet behind the first base dugout at archaic Cashman Field backed up and exploded in a noxious quagmire.

    After averaging 4,746 paying customers during the last season at Cashman, the Aviators in 2019 averaged 9,299 — a 96 percent increase — and sold out their new 10,000-seat ballpark in swanky suburban Summerlin 47 times.

    Oakland has last ups

    So if assumptions that Las Vegas baseball fans would be willing to pay more for major league entertainment are accurate — as anybody who stood in line for three innings for a hot dog on Big League Weekend during its run at Cashman Field can attest — the A’s temporarily playing ball in a Triple-A facility may not be the deal breaker some make it out to be.

    Provided, of course, it comes to that.

    The politicians in Oakland could turn all of this A’s relocation speculation into a routine pop fly if they flip-flop and commit to a waterfront ballpark project, which is still believed to be the A’s preference. A vote is expected July 20.

    As they used to say on Sunday afternoons when doubleheaders were in vogue, there’s still a lot of baseball to be played before the A’s move to Las Vegas — or Charlotte, Montreal, Nashville, Portland, Vancouver, B.C., or even the Himalayas near the border of China and Nepal.

    Because if somebody wanted to build a new ballpark with a retractable roof on top of Mount Everest, the A’s probably would want to take a look.
     
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    I get a kick out of all the rumours. Bally's supposed to have been imploded 12 years ago. Monday the R-J had an article stating the long vacant lot behind Paris along Koval was good possibility for the new A's stadium site. As Bob said (note Monte Carlo change to Park MGM) these themed venues on the way out. Whisky, if you think Raiders' game ticket prices are high, check out room rates on Raiders' weekends this fall.
     
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    Resale Ticket prices for Raiders games are INSANE. But resale Ticket prices for VGK home games are INSANE compared to the rest of the league. A $35 ticket in AZ will cost you $170 in LV. Yet they sell out every game.

    The LV AAA minor league baseball team on some days draws more people than the Florida Marlins.
     
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    I'm hoping MGM comes through for me for the Eagles game, Bob. I'm on the list.
     
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    I'll be camping in a tent about 45 miles away..... probably alone
    because heat doesn't bother me, but it seems to bother everyone else.
     
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    I was in the MGM private booth at Allegiant stadium. Mark Davis' booth is right next door. They should put you there!
     
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    Its interesting reading to the 2 local newspapers. One leans left and one leans right.

    The right leading one is against public funds for this new $1B stadium. The left leading one is for public funds (aka some new taxes like the Raiders got) with the idea of adding to tourism and diversifying by adding summer sports.

    The County seems to be saying "no public funds this time" claiming that now that they got the Raiders and 2 Pro teams have proven successful in ticket sales, any new stadium should be from the private sector. The A's seem to want a stadium on the Strip like the Raiders and Golden Knights. The County is saying we did the Raiders so we could get others to leap on their own nickel.

    MGM built T Mobile (where the Golden Knights play) with their own money. Its just about 100% used for Hockey. It could be used for the NBA if needed but I think the NBA would prefer a dedicate space. The Raiders got about 1/3 of the money for their stadium from taxpayers (aka mainly tourists). The rest came from the Raiders, the NFL, and the Bank of America. I'm wondering if some casino group would commit to building a ballpark on the South end of the strip not far from Raider Stadium. After Covid it seems unlikely.

    Anyway, to me the A's are just messing with Vegas and are trying to get the deal they really want in Oakland. If the Oakland deal falls through then you would see people being very serious. Right now its just wine and cheese.
     
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    MLB IN LAS VEGAS

    Swing and a miss?
    Public money for stadium not likely, Legislature says

    By Colton Lochhead
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    The Los Angeles Angels, right, and Oakland Athletics stand along their base lines for the national anthem at Oakland Coliseum before the opening of the 2018 season.

    CARSON CITY — The Nevada Legislature gave the Oakland Raiders 750 million reasons to move to Las Vegas five years ago. Would they do the same for the Oakland Athletics?

    The short answer is “no,” said most legislative leaders when asked about using public dollars to fund a baseball stadium.

    “I think that the notion of giving away public money for those types of endeavors, I just don’t think that we can afford that as a state,” Assembly Speaker Jason Frierson said.

    Officials for the Athletics last week visited Southern Nevada to look into a move to Las Vegas after Major League Baseball gave them the green light to explore relocation as the team’s proposal to build a new stadium in Oakland stalled.

    Las Vegas is a recent entrant into the world of professional sports home cities. But with the success of the Golden Knights at T-Mobile Arena and the Raiders at Allegiant Stadium, Southern Nevada has become an attractive option for teams looking to relocate.

    The team is reportedly hoping for some kind of public-private partnership, similar to the deal struck in 2016 to use increased Clark County room taxes to provide $750 million in public funding for a part of the $2 billion building cost for the Raiders’ new home.

    The Clark County hotel room tax was increased by 0.88 percent to fund the stadium project as well as an expansion of the Las Vegas Convention Center. The stadium’s share of the room tax has generated $164.6 million from its inception in March 2017 through February of this year.

    But there seems to be little appetite for such a deal in Carson City.

    No public dollars

    “It’s great for the community, it’s great for branding. But I would be hesitant to consider any policy that proposed to use public dollars to provide a vehicle for a private endeavor like that if it’s not going to have a relatively immediate return on investment,” Frierson said.

    That’s a sentiment shared by members of both parties’ leadership, it would seem.

    “I believe we can lure an MLB team to our world-class city without using taxpayer money,” said Assemblyman Tom Roberts, R-Las Vegas. “Our loyal fan base, sense of community, team spirit and sportsmanship are second to none.”

    Public financing from the Legislature that increase any taxes would require a two-thirds vote in both chambers. But that’s not the only kind of public support that the team could receive.

    Local governments in Southern Nevada could offer up land for a stadium for free or at a reduced price, the way the city of Henderson did to entice the Raiders to build its practice facility. (The Raiders later sold its headquarters building for $191 million and leased it back.) Henderson has also engaged in secret talks with the Arizona Diamondbacks trying to lure the team to Southern Nevada.

    Senate Minority Leader James Settelmeyer, R-Minden, thinks that the team might have an avenue to pursue that public funding, using the law enacted to fund the Raiders’ stadium to do it.

    That law as written, however, only applied to a“National Football League stadium project.” Settelmeyer said the Legislature could look at tweaking that statute, which he voted for, so that it could also include the Athletics.

    Still, Settlemeyer said, he’s “willing to have the discussion” and sees it as a great opportunity to attract another major professional franchise to the state.

    “I hope Vegas looks at it. And I hope that they talk to the (Legislature), and if there’s anything that we can do to reasonably incentivize them,” Settelmeyer said.

    Governor mum on baseball

    It was then-Gov. Brian Sandoval who convened a special session of lawmakers in 2016 to iron out the deal for the Raiders.

    Current Gov. Steve Sisolak, a Democrat, did not have much to say when asked if he would consider a similar tax package for the Athletics.

    “The Governor is in the Capitol in Carson City and is focused on the legislative session,” Sisolak’s spokeswoman Meghin Delaney said in a statement.

    Senate Majority Leader Nicole Cannizzaro, D-Las Vegas, signaled Saturday that stadium talks aren’t in the mix as lawmakers near the end of the regular legislative session.

    “With three days left in session, we are focused on finalizing budgets and moving the policies we’ve been advancing to help Nevadans recover from the pandemic,” Cannizzaro said in a statement. “A stadium is not something that’s even on our radar at this time.”

    Or maybe the Legislature just likes football more.
     
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    Oakland A’s Officials Say Las Vegas MLB Ballpark Would Cost $1B

    Officials from the Oakland A’s MLB franchise visited Las Vegas recently, and liked what they saw in their potential new home.

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    Cashman Field sits north of the Las Vegas Strip and downtown Las Vegas. It’s one possible new development site for the Oakland A’s to consider should the MLB team decide to come to Nevada. (Image: Wikipedia)

    Athletics President Dave Kaval accompanied billionaire owner John Fisher to Southern Nevada for several days last week. Fisher, whose fortune comes from his parents’ founding of the GAP clothing brand, is mulling relocating the professional baseball organization to a new city.

    Las Vegas has become a preeminent sports town since the Supreme Court lifted the federal ban on sports betting in May of 2018. Pro leagues had long opposed allowing a team to call Las Vegas home due to its widespread sports gambling, something many worried would jeopardize the integrity of their games.

    That is no longer the case. Today, the NFL, NHL, and WNBA all have teams playing along the Las Vegas Strip. And some of Sin City’s most powerful people are hoping to add the A’s in the coming years.

    $1B Ballpark
    There were many opponents throughout Southern Nevada to Clark County helping the then-Oakland Raiders build a $1.9 billion NFL stadium.

    Allegiant Stadium, as the massive 65,000-seat football complex is today known, was built with $750 million in tax money supplied by Clark County. The funds were raised by increasing the hotel occupancy tax on nightly stays by 0.88 percent.

    Oakland A’s brass toured Las Vegas, meeting with casino executives, Mayor Carolyn Goodman, and Henderson officials. The team didn’t say where exactly they would prefer to build a ballpark, but did explain that it would need around 30,000 fixed seats, and standing room for another 4,000 fans.

    The cost? Kaval told the Las Vegas Review-Journal $1 billion. The team would ideally prefer to be close to entertainment and the hustle and bustle that Las Vegas is known.

    “Our business is in entertainment and I think the more we do to have a top quality experience, both in terms of the venue we build, wherever it’s built, and then also the experience in programming, it is critically important,” Kaval said. “It feels like that’s an expectation and I think it’s something that our league needs.”

    Kaval’s comments came after experiencing a Vegas Golden Knights playoff game at T-Mobile, a venue MGM Resorts owns a 50 percent stake in.

    Seeing the success of professional sports in Southern Nevada with locals has been very impressive,” Kaval added.

    Goodman Prefers City Site
    The mayor says the Oakland A’s should consider Cashman Field just north of downtown Las Vegas. The stadium is currently home of the Las Vegas Lights FC of the USL Championship league. It was formerly the home of the Las Vegas 51s Minor Leaguer Baseball team.

    The city-owned field, Goodman says, sits in a federal opportunity zone, which would help obtain tax incentives for a major overhaul of the stadium into an MLB ballpark.

    The A’s are considering a move out of Oakland after its home city again failed to come to terms with the franchise to build it a new venue. MLB says its current stadium — the Oakland Coliseum — “is not a viable option for the future vision of baseball.”
     
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    That's part of the reason why my "bargain" $89 room at the Rio in August balloons to a total of $129 after all the taxes and fees are added on!
     
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    Well, the stadium is exactly 88 CENTS per $100 of room charge. What you see is the other taxes and resort fees making it go from 89 to 129.
     
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    The Rio All-Suite Hotel and Casino Las Vegas charge a resort fee of $36.28 per room per night. $129 sounds low with tax.
     
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    I hate Resort fees. IMO they should be illegal as they are intentionally incorrectly stating the price you are signing up to pay. Its bait and switch and completely confusing to the consumer as every hotel has its own version and price for the resort fee.

    There's nothing wrong in telling people a hotel room costs $79 instead of $39*

    *before fees...

    All you do is piss off customers, especially those who find out about them when they check out. If you don't read the fine print on Hotels.com, you can be shocked at the final bill.
     
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    Amen. Plus it’s also unclear what you truly get as part of your resort fees.


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    AEG and MGM built the arena. Bill Foley owns 15% along with them.

    Not even close, Bob. Concerts, The UFC, Boxing, The PBR, NCAA Basketball, WWE, all the awards shows, and on and on. 100% Hockey. Uh huh.
     
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    Clark County Again Uses Reserve Fund to Make Allegiant Stadium Bond Payment

    Clark County and the Southern Nevada Tourism Infrastructure Committee once promised substantial economic benefits for the region by raising the hotel occupancy tax on casino resorts. This was done in order to help fund a $1.97 billion NFL stadium near the Strip.

    But less than a year after the opening of Allegiant Stadium, the home of the NFL Las Vegas Raiders franchise, the county is accessing reserve funds to meet its mandatory bond payments.

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    Allegiant Stadium, home of the NFL Las Vegas Raiders. Clark County, Nv., made a big bet on hotel stays generating enough tax revenue to cover its $750 million commitment to the $1.97 billion sports venue. (Image: Las Vegas Raiders)

    Clark County lured in the Raiders by pledging a $750 million commitment to building them an NFL stadium just west of I-15 and Mandalay Bay. The county contributed the money in 2017, and raised the funds by issuing bonds on behalf of the Las Vegas Stadium Authority (LVSA).

    To cover the $750 million, Clark County increased the nightly occupancy tax on hotel room stays on the Las Vegas Strip and surrounding areas by 0.88 percent. The hotel tax increased 0.5 percent on all other hotels within 25 miles of the Clark County Government Center.

    The hotel tax increase was expected to cover the repayment of the bonds, but COVID-19 changed everything. As a result, this week Clark County confirmed that it withdrew $11.7 million from the LVSA’s debt reserve account to complete the $18.6 million bond payment due June 1.

    Tourism Shortcomings
    COVID-19 was an unimaginable crisis that led to Las Vegas’ more than 150,000 hotel rooms being occupied just 42.3 percent of the time last year. The average nightly rate was just $120.36, meaning the stadium tax was about $1.05 per overnight stay.

    The June 1 bond obligation marked the second time the LVSA has dipped its hand into its reserve fund. In December, the county took $11.55 million from the account to make good on its payment.

    Despite the withdrawals, Clark County spokesperson Dan Kulin says all is well.

    This action does not constitute a default and was expected in light of the decline in tourism to Las Vegas. Fortunately, the financing for the Stadium Authority bonds included the funding of a debt service reserve fund to weather economic declines like the one Las Vegas is currently experiencing due to the pandemic,” Kulin explained.

    Jeremy Aguero, a principal at Applied Analysis who works with the LVSA, says the reserve fund remains robust. He says the account still has more than $54 million, a number that he does not anticipate future withdrawals will come “anywhere near that amount.”

    Debt Reserve
    When Nevada approved legislation to allow Clark County to help build an NFL stadium with tax money from hotel stays, the bill mandated that a reserve fund be initiated. Revenue collected via the room tax increase is used to pay down the bond debts, and also fund the reserve.

    While the financing for the stadium remains sound, the headlines of Clark County using a reserve fund to pay the bond obligations could generate more critics. The MLB Oakland A’s are considering following their former Oakland counterpart to Southern Nevada, and said this week a new ballpark would cost in the neighborhood of $1 billion.

    “No more sports teams. Put that money into education,” a Casino.org reader recently commented on the A’s relocation rumors.
     

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