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  1. pshoejberg

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    I got a question for the experts. My speedometer is behaving strange. Whenever I have drive more than +-50 kilometres it starts to become unstable and the speed reading is very erratic and all over the place (Lower readings than actual speed). It is like it doesn't like heating up?. Are there anyone who has experienced this before and knows the cure?

    Best, Peter
     
  2. turbo-joe

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    had the same problem once. but as sudden as it cam it went away again. and since then no problem anymore. don´t ask me why ;)
     
  3. pshoejberg

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    I was hoping the same would happen to my speedometer but I finally lost my faith in the "Time cure most problems" approach :(
     
  4. Guegangster

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    I have had the same pb for the last eight years and couldn't get it fixed despite trying to get it fixed and having various shops looking at my car... I have the pb with speedo mainly but also rev counter. I think the fault is heat related since it works fine when I start.
    Possible culprits are faulty dinoplex or electrical fault (bad grounding.)
    It's driving me nuts and spoiling the driving fun for me.
    Good luck in finding the cause
     
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  5. pshoejberg

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    Thanks for your input Julien. My digiplex is replaced with a msd ignition so that’s not the culprit and I believe the “digiplex” issue is related to the tach only since the tach input signal is directed from the ignition unit. Ground failure could be the reason or a weak speed sensor crapping out when heating up. Worst case could be a failure in the tachometer logic. I will update this thread as my fault finding progresses. So far it’s only classified as a minor issue since the issue first arise after a considerable amount of km’s. I will start with checking all the wires and verify firm grounding in all ends. Next I have to consider how to fault investigate a sensor that’s failing partially and only when warm?....

    best Peter
     
  6. turbo-joe

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    may I see it right?
    the speedometer shows the speed your are going and also counts the mileage - the RPM meter shows as it says the engine rpms
    sorry, get sometimes confused with the english words ;)
     
  7. Steve Magnusson

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    #7 Steve Magnusson, May 22, 2021
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    Yes, you've basically got that right, but to be more exact in English:

    The speedometer measures the speed that you are going, and the odometer measures the mileage traveled -- both of these use the same signal coming from a sensor somewhere in the gearbox/diff system

    The tachometer measures the engine RPM using a signal coming from somewhere in the ignition system.

    A problem that only occurs in the speedometer/odometer OR the tachometer is usually related to the sensor for that system or that particular gauge.

    A problem that affects both the speedometer/odometer AND the tachometer at the same time would most likely be related to the (common) +12V power and ground used by both systems.
     
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  8. turbo-joe

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    thank you steve for explaining speedometer, odometer and tachometer :)
    as english is not my motherlanguage I got often confused, now all clear ! ! !
     
  9. Grease Donkey

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    Hi Peter, salut Julien,

    I put my bets down to bad ground somewhere in the cricuit.

    The current flowing is very small, but may result in increased resistance at the ground when flowing for some time. Temperature and humidity may strongly influence the resistance on a poor ground as well. Failure of electronic components such as capacitors becomes permanent after some time. That's why I bet on poor ground.

    Cleaning ground connections is a fun weekend project ... ask me how I know ... :rolleyes:
     
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  10. theunissenguido

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    Peter, did you put a small drop of fine oil on its turning point of the speedo needle ? Cars that ar'nt run during winter often have this problem. The oil of turning point gets hard and greasy.
     
  11. pshoejberg

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    Nope, but thanks for the suggestion. I have never greased a speedo needle before and I have never heard that it should be necessary to be honest. But then again I'm not an expert into speedometers. I find it difficult to understand the heat issue then. One should think the needle would turn easier when things are heating up and not the opposite?

    Best, Peter
     
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  13. pshoejberg

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    Thanks a lot for the link Ian. This is a great help and can potentially save me a lot of grief. I was born with a soldering iron in my mouth so I have no problems with the analog electronics. I'm still crossing fingers for a sensor problem.

    Best, Peter
     
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    How about a new speed sensor? It's easy to get to and not too costly. In fact I think the 308 uses the same sensor?
     
  15. pshoejberg

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    That's under consideration, but I like to pin point the failure source first before I start shopping. Also i like to fix things myself if they are repairable and a high quality repair can be performed. That approach has resulted in much grief but also a lot of fun...:)
     
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  16. Qavion

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    That's a good point. Fitting new internal components doesn't sound too difficult, but you could damage the case on the sender when you're trying to get into it. The metal case is crimped.
     
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  17. DonB

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    I forgot to say, my speedo (not swim suit) died so I replaced the sender and Bingo..fixed. Quick, easy, cheap.
     
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  18. 2dinos

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    Ask Adrian?? He's a god with these Ferrari electrics. Eats this stuff for breakfast! Something to do with a the regulator in the board perhaps???
     
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