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FORMULA 1 ARAMCO GRAN PREMIO DE ESPANA 2021: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

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  1. jpalmito

    jpalmito F1 Veteran

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    I think the reality is much more worrisome.
    Their initial problems were real, but the quality and quantity of their technical team made it possible to find effective short-term solutions. This team is an extremely well-oiled war machine and beating it seems impossible.
     
  2. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    +1 - they are managed to win. When other teams are geared this focus and support each other in such a fashion, they will compete. Now it is critical with a limited budget.

    If you want to win communication is key -- this would not be an optimal way to run an active race. Not a huge mistake but mistake it is and seconds were lost >>>

    Red Bull: Verstappen "called himself in" which caused slow pitstop
    By: Jonathan Noble
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    May 9, 2021, 12:51 PM
    Red Bull’s slow pitstop for Max Verstappen in Formula 1’s Spanish Grand Prix was caused by the Dutchman arriving for a tyre change without being called in by the team.
     
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  3. RobertJRB

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    Had nothing to do with strategy or skill, only with a very quick Mercedes on medium tires.
    The outcome would have been the same whatever strategie RB had picked.


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  4. johnireland

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    When Lewis pitted for fresh mediums, Max should have pitted for fresh soft. He would have kept the lead in the pits and had faster tires...and could have built up a lead in the remaining laps that would have kept him in the lead at the finish. RB still doesn't have the confidence to beat Mercedes.
     
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  5. jpalmito

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    Above all, I think that they do not have the pace to develop more inventive strategies.
    Their window of opportunity is much narrower.
     
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  6. RobertJRB

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    If you watched the complete race you would have known the 17 seconds lead was there because Max took an extra pitstop for the fastest lap.


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  7. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #257 william, May 9, 2021
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    One can understand why a team throws all its effort behind a driver who is well above average.

    During Clark's time in F1 (always at Lotus), he never had a team mate who could match his talent, including Graham Hill.

    The same for Hamilton at Mercedes today, or Verstappen at Red Bull.
     
  8. jgonzalesm6

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    Mercedes have moved ahead of McLaren in the all-time list of most points scored in Formula 1.

    Top five:

    1. Ferrari (8448.5)
    2. Mercedes (5826)
    3. McLaren (5620.5)
    4. Red Bull (5155.5)
    5. Williams (3561)
     
  9. ricksb

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    Take Hamilton out and Max is 4-0 on the season. No doubt....it’s Hamilton + Merc that is dominant and it’s Max + RBR that is the challenger. Remove those two and it’s wide open
     
  10. william

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    Is that relevant ?

    The point scoring system has changed over the years, completely distorting any valid comparison, IMO.
     
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  11. TheMayor

    TheMayor Nine Time F1 World Champ
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    Binotto figured out during each race this year he can make a little extra money doing a MyPillow ad (or "il Mio Cuscino" in his native tongue) :)
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  12. PerKr

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    Yeah, you really want a clear no 1 and no 2 driver as a team. When the teams drivers race rather than help each other, the team suffers. We've seen this many times before.
     
  13. william

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    #263 william, May 9, 2021
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    Some people on this forum don't seem to understand that infighting is disruptive in a team .
     
  14. johnk...

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    It won't even be in the foot notes.
     
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  15. subirg

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    Leclerc was driver of the day today. Great performance for 4th place. Mega in fact.

    Tough luck Max - stuffed by rubbish pit strategy again. RB will never beat Merc like this - even with a faster car. Too many mistakes. Merc are a total team. Best car, best strategists. Ham at the top of his game. Bot hopeless by comparison, but good enough to be on the podium regularly. RB need to get a grip of all departments pronto or the season is over.
     
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  16. jpalmito

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    +1 with Leclerc.
    I don’t know how Sainz will not explode this year.
     
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    :) Hmmmm... but relating to HAM records:
    ?
     
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  18. jpalmito

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    ;)
     
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  19. ingegnere

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    And yet when Todt teamed Irvine and Barrichello with Schumacher, Ferrari was accused of not being sporting.
     
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  21. jpalmito

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    A real duel between two drivers in a team that dominates is not the most effective solution on the sporting level but is by far the most profitable in terms of reputation in the long term.
    A Mercedes victory is a non-event today for the mainstream public.
     
  22. jpalmito

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    There were 1,000 authorized spectators today.
     
  23. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #273 william, May 9, 2021
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    You are talking about 2 different arguments here.

    The point scoring system has been changed several times since 1950.
    In the 50s, only the first 6 scored points, and the winner took 8 points. In the 60s, the winner took 9.
    Now, and for a few years, the first 10 scores points, and the winner gets 25 points.
    And there were several variations over the years.
    The introduction of the sprint races will attribute more points.
    In the 50s, only 6 or 8 GPs per season, now we have 23, so more chances to score points.
    So how can one compare the point tally of teams over several decades? You simply can't.

    As for Hamilton, he has scored more points, obtained more podiums, more poles, and won more GPs than any other driver since F1 started.
    Since 2007 and until now, he obtained better results than any of his peers, including Schumacher, Alonso, Raikkonen, or Vettel - all WDCs.
    Hamilton's stats are superior to any of his contemporaries. That's simply undeniable!
    It's a great pity that some people refuse to recognise that.
     
  24. william

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    I could also add that the WCC didn't exist until 1959.
    Also that only the 1st car of each constructor used to score points before (factory or private).
    Now, both cars of each team score points if in the first 10,
    Etc, etc ...
     
  25. furoni

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    actyualy think sainz is doing ok when you look at ho's the opsition..now Monaco is a difeernt animal, and i expet big things from charles there, if Sainz is able to be only ,5 sec behind he's passed teh test for me...i have hopes for p3 at monaco for charles...
     

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