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Discussion in 'F12/812' started by Frenzisko, Feb 10, 2018.

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  1. JTSE30

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    I wonder if there is no digital view rear mirror if this will come as standard equipment:

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  2. Boots

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    Just spoke to the author of the EVO article via email...

    "There was a media Q&A session after the presentation where price, prod numbers and more technical details were confirmed.

    Suspect a regular 812 Superfast will be rarer than a Competizione based on the confirmed build numbers."

    This is quite shocking to hear.
     
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  3. SAT4RE

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    Don't get me wrong, I find the coupe quite attractive, but the A hits all of the marks for me. She captures all of those additional dream elements that make me say, "Wow!"
     
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  4. junc

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    Wow sounds like the Pista , Pista spider production model.


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  5. Challenge64

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    Not sure I understand. If 1/999 is confirmed then how are there fewer 812 SFs?
     
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  6. ScrappyB

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    So they misprinted the 999?
     
  7. Boots

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  8. 96redLT4

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    Well the big reveal was kind of a yawner, don't you guys think? Shouldn't they just call this an 'enhanced' 812 and let anyone order on who has the coin?
     
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  9. Boots

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    He clarified that his earlier statement was incorrect. Essentially 812 Competizione production numbers will be 1/5 of those of the Superfast. And if we can estimate that there are roughly 2500-3000 GTS' leaving the factory, then that would put us at just over a 1/4 of those of the GTS.
     
  10. Tommy Boy

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    #7585 Tommy Boy, May 5, 2021
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  11. Boots

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    Yes read my above post.
     
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  12. of2worlds

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    The mystery horizontal slots in the black surround above the license plate position are still present in this photograph of the A.

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  13. day355

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    I think it will age less well than the TDF.
    It is not unpleasant, but a little too busy for my taste ... Apparently they can no longer keep it simple!
    Still, the background is extraordinary and it remains an unmatched engine performance to this day: think about it, a V 12 of this displacement which turns so high in the revs while being reliable over hundreds of thousands of kilometers, and easy to maintain. !!!
    It will be necessary to choose its configuration well and avoid overloading the car, in my opinion.
    What I followed from the loan is the marketing model put in place and which is going to increase enormously from now on, because in the very short term we will have to sell the form more than the substance for the cars to come ...
     
  14. ewright

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    Couldn't agree more. I want one, if only I would be given the chance to spec it.
     
  15. The interior is so dated.
     
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  16. Maximus1977

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    As I was pondering over my initial, emotional, response, I thought the same thing!
     
  17. Tommy Boy

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    So net result: an affordable "limited edition" car, desired by the 5,000 owners of regular 812 plus many thousands of others - all clamoring to get the car. A car that will be super-hyped on the internet and create buzz. And, it is stunning aesthetically and improves on the great features of the SF.

    Also we know EU regs prevent future NA V-12's.

    I think we have a TdF like price appreciation on this one. Probably bigger.
     
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  18. GreenLantern

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    So, to confirm, it's not limited to 999, but just "more reduced allocations compared to the 812SF"?

    If so, that makes sense to me. Obviously it wouldn't be as plentiful as the SF (similar to the 488 Pista vs the 488 GTB).
     
  19. Boots

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    I think this is a fair assumption.
     
  20. Tommy Boy

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    The configurator shows a limited edition numbering plaque - not sure if anyone can confirm whether that was an error or not on Ferrari's part. I can't imagine they would stick a "1 of XXX" plaque into the configurator unless it really is limited by numbers.
     
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  21. Boots

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    No. It is limited to 999 for the coupe, and 599 for the targa.
     
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  22. Boots

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    I highly doubt this detail was somehow looked over, it would make zero sense that somehow it made its way in there by accident and they somehow forgot to remove it.
     
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  23. Tommy Boy

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    YEAH!! Thanks for confirming! Exactly what we want!!!!

    Making the Aperta super limited would have made zero sense. They save that kind of exclusivity for the super limited collector cars.
     
  24. JTSE30

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    Well, this engine is curious, very curious.

    It has more "horsepower" but with the loss of torque, the 812SF (and 812GTS+GPF) are the pinnacle at 718nm @7000rpm, then the F12TDF at 705nm @6250rpm and then the 812c at 692nm @7000rpm; the 812c torque is nearly 4% lower than the 812SF (that's about 20 ft/lb less)

    And the 812c compression ratio is 13.5:1 (same as F12TDF), where the 812SF is 13.6:1

    Maybe the compression ratio is less to give some relief to the engine because of extra back pressure caused by the GPFs.

    Seems this particular engine block has reached its maximum abilities. Instead of going up or remaining stable, torque substantially went down.

    Very happy to see 9500rpm max with maximum power at 9250rpm, amazing
     
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  25. Tommy Boy

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    Great insight. Clearly the engine block is maxed out now.
     

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