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The real F40 with VIN 90969? (2nd is 85397)

Discussion in '288GTO/F40/F50/Enzo/LaFerrari' started by Aircon, Jan 29, 2021.

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  1. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Mar 2, 2005
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    Yes.

    Marcel Massini
     
  2. JohnMH

    JohnMH Formula 3

    Jan 28, 2004
    1,625
    Dubai / Bologna
    I would hope that Ferrari would just reassign 85397 to the chassis? I assume that the car will not be released by the authorities (to anyone) until this is sorted.
     
  3. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Mar 2, 2005
    22,738
    Right.

    Marcel Massini
     
  4. megamarco9

    megamarco9 Karting

    Dec 11, 2020
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    Allow me say that this has been an amazing read from post #1 to post #453.... simply amazing, it has read like a mystery novel that you just cannot put down once you have started the read...yet this is not a novel, but a true story with every conceivable twist and turn (& red herring's) one could imagine...also allow me to express my deepest respect for the knowledge and tenacity of dozens of posts and the FChat posters on this thread... I have clicked on most, if not all, of the links people posted in this thread and gained even more valuable insight into the authentication process as well as the surprisingly large market of fraudulent VIN's etc...'Caveat Emptor' for sure. The info on the multiple links within the posts has enlightened me in learning more about the F40 then I imagined possible. ... simply an amazing education and for Free... Lastly, there is no doubt that Marcel Massini is a World-Class authority on F40's, along with other Ferrari's I'm sure, as well as a Source & Sleuth of epic proportions... well done and thank you.
     
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  5. 365GTC/4

    365GTC/4 Formula 3

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    John
    So what is the known history of 85397?
     
  6. sp1der

    sp1der F1 Rookie

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    Simon Ashley
    My guess done to avoid a hefty import duty/VAT bill at some stage?
     
  7. 365GTC/4

    365GTC/4 Formula 3

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    Well unlucky for the perpetrators that the OP super sleuth Aircon aka The Troublemaker, picked up the serial number duplication.
     
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  8. wrxmike

    wrxmike Moderator
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    Mar 20, 2004
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    The "real" 90969 in Sydney has found a buyer who is fully aware of its history. Car will remain in Australia, in another state.
     
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  9. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Jun 23, 2003
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    Peter
    Will be interesting to see what he thinks of it considering the other cars he's owned.
     
  10. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Mar 2, 2005
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    Meanwhile I will most probably soon have fresh information re 85397.......

    Marcel Massini
     
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  11. 365GTC/4

    365GTC/4 Formula 3

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    Very good. The question of why the serial number was altered will be interesting to many on here.
     
  12. 365GTC/4

    365GTC/4 Formula 3

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    Interesting story. Thank you Aircon.
    Reason for switching serial number may be.
    Dodging tax.
    Car had a huge crash.
    Stolen.
    Part of some settlement battle e.g. divorce.
    Something else?
     
  13. ChipG

    ChipG Formula 3

    May 26, 2011
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    Can we have audio clips like Clubhouse so we can say "For ****s Sake" with an accent?! - asking for a friend
     
  14. JohnMH

    JohnMH Formula 3

    Jan 28, 2004
    1,625
    Dubai / Bologna
    I have never heard of falsifying a serial number on a Ferrari due to divorce. Maybe a Lamborghini, but not a Ferrari. Hmm... now that is a bad divorce.
     
  15. luigisayshello

    luigisayshello Karting

    Jul 9, 2014
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    Let's not forget car is from the middle east...
     
  16. ivanyc999

    ivanyc999 Rookie

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    Ivan
    any info update on the blue car?
     
  17. Emil

    Emil Formula Junior

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    i haven't signed in here for such a long time but reading this thread made me log back in. Fascinating amounts of information and knowledge between FChat members.

    I read that the chap in Dubai was selling/sold a number of cars off to pay for legal bills, the reason why I was intrigued is because the Zonda Cinque roadster is firmly my ultimate car and I saw it was registered to the UK last year and has since been sold to someone in Portugal. Sadly my euromillions ticket number didn't appear for me to win the jackpot and purchase the car, so back to working hard instead
     
  18. Mattjevans

    Mattjevans Rookie

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    Wow. What a read ! Thanks to all contributors.
     
  19. dkabab

    dkabab Formula Junior

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    David
  20. 275GTB

    275GTB Formula 3

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    Mark McCracken
  21. Collesano

    Collesano Karting

    Jan 14, 2017
    167
    England UK
    ??

    Maybe a new thread, or amendment of this one to focus on 85397 that was cloned as 90969.
     
  22. dkabab

    dkabab Formula Junior

    Oct 27, 2007
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    Not sure what happened there. Will try again later
     
  23. dkabab

    dkabab Formula Junior

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    David
  24. 365GTC/4

    365GTC/4 Formula 3

    Apr 7, 2005
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    John
    Yes, a 85397 thread is needed.
     
  25. F430Modena

    F430Modena F1 Rookie

    May 26, 2005
    3,182
    Portugal

    Hi the car wasnt sold to Portugal , the same dubai owner was here on hollidays and made roadtrip from Cascais to Porto.

    The cars was shipped to UK again.
     

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