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  1. GrigioGuy

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    "Navy Wings’ Sea Fury T.20 made a precautionary forced landing in a field next to RNAS Yeovilton following a problem with the engine on a routine training flight this afternoon. Both pilots are safe and well and have been taken to Yeovil district Hospital for a precautionary check-up. The cause is under investigation and both the CAA and Air Accident Investigation Branch have been informed. No further information is available at this time"

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  2. Bob Parks

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    That's too bad, looks like a really hard landing. Glad that the crew is relatively okay.
     
  3. zygomatic

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    Looks like the motor wasn't turning during the landing
     
  4. tazandjan

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    Parts have got to be really hard to find for those Tempest II/ Sea Fury Centaurus engines.
     
  5. Rifledriver

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    Maybe, maybe not. They made a bunch of them and were operated well into the jet age. Quite a few of the airframes here have been converted to Wright or PW power, mostly 3350 I think because they are better and cheaper and not nearly as Rube Goldberg. Rebuilding a Centaurus has to be madly expensive.


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  6. NeuroBeaker

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    Isn't "precautionary forced landing" a contradiction? An early landing is either precautionary or forced, not both?

    All the best,
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  7. Rifledriver

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    Agreed. The words are at odds with each other.

    Not sure anymore if a working knowledge of the English language is a prereq for either journalism school or a job in journalism.

    I once had an editor with a similar grasp of the language.
     
  8. Bob Parks

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    I think that it was a precautionary landing because when the engine quits, any fool would take the precaution to try put the airplane down someplace before it drops out of the sky. I grew up with the term "Forced Landing". Now we hear things like "unplanned" or " off-airport" . I really don't know where "precautionary landing" came from. I can understand to take the precaution of NOT taking off. You are "spot landing" on.
     
  9. NeuroBeaker

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    I heard precautionary landing was when you still had power and were picking your earliest opportunity to land due to a perceived reliability problem that might get worse, so you were aiming for first airfield or first field because it was better than trying to make it over a forest or lake, for example, where the landing would definitely be a crash if you didn't clear it.

    Forced landing was described to me as a loss of power or control that meant you had to land immediately, because whatever you were landing on with some airspeed/control was better than an uncontrolled crash that would probably kill everyone on board.

    I don't know if those are the widely accepted definitions, but that's what I heard at our local airport.

    All the best,
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  10. Bob Parks

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    I agree with your assessments. I have to retract my statements a bit because I had to perform a precautionary landing when my engine didn't seem right on take off and I decided to stay in the pattern and land. It turned out that it had a burned valve and was losing power. If I had continued, my landing would have been a forced landing and not a precautionary landing. So, I stand corrected and, again, you are correct.
     
  11. NeuroBeaker

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    I don't know for certain, I'm just relaxing what I hear at the local airport where my Dad keeps his aircraft.

    I think you were astute with the best precautionary measure being to opt not to take off if there are any doubts. :)

    All the best,
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  12. Hannibal308

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    Not really at odds at all if you’ve ever flown with the brits. Single engine fighters fly PFLs all the time...Practice Forced Landings. The Forced Landing is really just an engine out overhead typically starting at a high key and flown through other “key” altitude, airspeed, and configuration hoops to get you on the ground when your engine’s gone tits up. A precautionary forced landing simply means they flew that procedure to a field anticipating possible engine loss at any time. For many pilots, every pattern is a PFL from some point in the pattern.
     
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    Sadly many pilots make an art form of flying jet size patterns in a Cessna 150.
     
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    ha, if they were taking downwind long just turn at the numbers inside them. :D I had my most fun downwind to final, not only fun, but good practice engine out. small planes downwind to base to final you should always be able to make the airport.
     
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  15. Bob Parks

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    We had an on-going fight with the spam-canners at the late Bellevue airport. I had a near head-on collision with a 182 when I was about a mile west from the downwind and about to make the turn to enter downwind traffic. My son yelled when he spotted the dark airplane emerge from the dark colored hills ahead. I had to dump it to avoid him. I entered traffic properly and as I turned on base I could see him way out on final so I continued to make a landing. When I was trying down my airplane he came roaring over to chew me out for "cutting him of". The pattern layout was in the office and even though he was at least a mile too far out for the downwind he claimed that it was HIS way to fly the pattern. The big money people didn't change until there was a physical altercation and overwhelming pressure from the rest of us and the field owner.
     
  16. Bob Parks

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    That's the way I was taught to fly the pattern
     
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  17. Bob Parks

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    I may have mentioned it before but I will again. The Cessna and Beechcraft guys figured that our little airplanes would be a good way to build up cheaper flying hours to log. They bought a pretty little Taylorcraft (BC12 ?) tail dragger and began to fly it, or try to fly it. All of their nose dragger time had not prepared them to fly a tail dragger and that little airplane lasted about 10 days until somebody lost on take off and hit the FBO's office. We didn't hear much from them after that.
     

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