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  1. jgonzalesm6

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  2. crinoid

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    This sprint nonsense will only help Mercedes.
     
  3. Jakuzzi

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    Correct, unfortunately.....
     
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  4. william

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    How that ? Please explain.
     
  5. crinoid

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    Just go ahead and argue that it won’t.
     
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  6. WPOZZZ

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    100km sprint races and giving points to the top 3 places. What about the additional wear and tear on PU components throughout this season? This will put teams into the grid penalties.
     
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  7. william

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    No, I would like you to explain why sprint races will help Mercedes, because I can't see how.
     
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  8. william

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    True.

    Sprint races will put more mileage on the cars, and I wonder how this has been factored in the number of components allowed.
     
  9. DeSoto

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    Not crazy about the sprint races idea. Too much risk for little points and a start position, so I guess that nobody will be really pushing. Also it rises the costs. Yeah, they rised the budget limit a bit to cope with it, but what about the small teams that are below the limit.

    Anyway, if they want to make experiments, this is a good season to do them, so let´s see how it goes.
     
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  10. DF1

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    Sprint races are not needed to make it F1 more interesting. Gimmick. Better racing in the main event is the solution. Not this.
     
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  11. william

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    Ross Brawn says that sprint races won't be applicable to all GPs.
    So, the championship could be run with races using different formats.

    F1 unlikely to roll out sprint races at every grand prix
    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/sprint-races-plan-full-season-unlikely-brawn/6486788/


    Not saying it will be impossible to manage, but that could put some GPs on a different status.
     
  12. crinoid

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    William, you very well know how it helps them. Mercedes have the fastest race pace. Guaranteed pole. Now tell how Red Bull are faster etc BS etc BS.
     
  13. william

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    They look evenly matched to me.

    Red Bull made progress since last year, and nothing is guaranteed for Mercedes anymore.

    Would it surprise you if I tell you that IMO, Verstappen and Red Bull could win the title this year?
     
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    Indeed and that's a good thing. It'll throw in another monkey wrench into future grids.
     
  15. tifosi12

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    I'm so looking forward to the sprint races. That's basically two GPs in one weekend. Lots of things can go wrong. Awesome.
     
  16. DF1

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    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-strategy-consequences-of-f1s-sprint-race-rule-changes/6494391/

    Formula 1 / Analysis
    The strategy consequences of F1's sprint race rule changes
    By: Jonathan Noble
    Apr 28, 2021, 5:56 AM
    Formula 1's green light for sprint qualifying at selected events this year has already prompted great debate about the impact they will have on the maing grand prix itself.
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    The series has always been about building up to a climax on a Sunday afternoon, and rules have been tailored to ensure that there is as much scope as possible to shake things up without making it a lottery.

    That was one of the reasons why F1 has operated for many years with rules regarding which tyres drivers must start the race on.

    With the top 10 qualifiers needing to begin on the rubber they set their best Q2 lap with, and the rest having free choice, there has been an element of strategy playing out over two days.

    On Saturdays, there has been the jeopardy element of drivers potentially getting knocked out in Q2 as they bid to get through on the harder compound tyres that are better for the race.

    While on Sundays, there can be a decent mix-up of choices through the field – especially around the top 10 region where the Q3 stragglers are forced to be on perhaps not the best rubber while those starting from P11 down are much better placed.

    But all that tyre jeopardy will change now with F1's sprint race plans, as the new format means that the tyre rules are being revised to accommodate the switch.

    In basic terms, there will no longer be a requirement for the top 10 drivers to start on the same tyre that they got through Q2 on, but does that mean the end of strategy excitement on Sundays? Maybe not.

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    How the new rules work

    While there is still some scope for the tyre rules to be altered in the next few weeks, the basic outline of how things will work on a sprint race weekend has been put forward.

    For the three events, F1 drivers will get one fewer set of tyres (so 12 rather than 13) than what they get now. These will be divided up into six softs, four mediums and two hard.

    In Friday morning's FP1 session, drivers must use two sets of tyres (any compound) and hand one set back to Pirelli at the end of the session.

    For Friday afternoon's qualifying, only the soft tyres can be used and drivers are allowed to use a maximum of five sets. However, drivers who make it through to Q3 must save a new set for that session.

    Saturday's morning final free practice session will be a complete free choice for drivers, but they will obviously be mindful about saving the right compounds for the race.

    For the sprint race, there will be free tyre choice, but the likelihood is that drivers will go for the softest tyre compound available – even if it means a bit of management at the end.

    Following this race, drivers will return the set of tyres to Pirelli that has completed the most laps.

    For Sunday's race, drivers then have complete free choice of tyres for the race start – but the rule that demands they use two different compounds (so there is one mandatory stop) remains in force.

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    What impact will it have?

    Looking at the rules, the implications are that there will be a reluctance to use the soft tyres for Friday morning's practice session – so teams will burn a medium and hard set only.

    With six softs available for the entire weekend, and drivers mindful that five of those may be needed for qualifying and one for the sprint race, there will not be much desire to burn a set in practice.

    That means that drivers may well be going into qualifying without having had the kind of sighting laps on the softest tyres that they get in the current FP3 sessions.

    However, if drivers are confident that they can get through qualifying without using all five sets – the top guys may need just one shot in Q1/Q2 and Q3 – then there could be a temptation to try a soft set in practice and keep it back.

    Those drivers who are able to not burn extra sets in qualifying will also be at an advantage for the rest of the weekend, as they will have fresh softs for sprint qualifying and the race itself on Sunday.

    Equally those drivers knocked out in Q2, who didn't burn the extra set in Q3, will have an extra choice for Sundays.

    If a driver ends up using all five sets of softs in qualifying, and then has to use another set in Saturday's sprint race which is then handed back, then he will be cornered in to only having mediums and hards available for the main race.

    For those grands prix where the soft tyre is one to steer clear of on Sunday then that will not be too much of a problem, but it could be a factor at those events where the hard tyre is the one to avoid.

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    Looking at tyre options for Sunday, the likelihood is that there may well be as much varied choice on starting tyre as we get now.

    A free choice (like we currently see in the damp conditions of Imola) does not automatically mean that everyone goes down the same route.

    And teams could potentially be compromised in what they want to do by having to commit to setup due to new parc ferme conditions on Friday. However, teams' choices for Sunday will be based on better judgement from knowing how the tyres played out in the Saturday sprint race.

    Often teams have found that tyres can be managed much better on Sunday afternoons than their predictions on Friday sometimes tell them, so it will be fascinating to see how they adapt to the fluctuating data banks of knowledge they are getting now with a proper race 'sim' on Saturday afternoon.

    While the sprint race rules have taken away strategy options from one hand, by no longer forcing the Q3 runners to start on a set tyre, they may well have given us back more in the other by drivers' race options being dictated by how well they have flowed through the weekend.

    And then things get even more complicated if qualifying or the sprint race are hit by rain.

    In the end, the true judgement on the success can only be made once the full sprint race weekend has played out. And for that, we will have to wait for the British Grand Prix.
     
  17. Mitch Alsup

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    The real question in my mind is not what tires strategies will unfold, but what engine and chassis damages will unfold and drive teams to the brink of not having enough parts on hand while staying under the financial bubble.
     
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    In response to DF1's Russian novel tire post. I sure hope no one ends up on double secret probation. What if it's an even numbered Friday & the team principal's last name ends in a vowel & he has a one eyed jack? Do they get an extra set then?????

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  19. william

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    No kidding ! :p
     
  20. DF1

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    An interesting situation with the budget cap now - https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/why-mercedes-canned-pirelli-test-despite-a-400000-credit/6512516/

    Why Mercedes canned Pirelli test despite a $400,000 credit

    By: Adam Cooper
    May 21, 2021, 5:45 AM
    The decision by Mercedes to pull out of next week’s 18-inch Pirelli tyre test at Paul Ricard has shone a further spotlight on Formula 1’s budget cap restrictions.

    After Valtteri Bottas was involved in a huge crash at Imola, the team highlighted that the cost of the damage might compromise development later in the season, and skipping a planned tyre test is further evidence of how the top teams are now having to account for every dollar they spend.


    Even a $400,000 budget cap “credit” for participating in the Pirelli test was not enough for Mercedes to justify sending its mule car and a crew to France.

    The two-day Ricard test, for wet tyres only, was one of three sessions that Mercedes initially agreed to do as the teams help Pirelli to finesse its new 18-inch products. The Brackley-based outfit ran two days on slicks at Imola in April, and it has a single day with dry rubber – which it still plans to undertake – scheduled for Budapest in August.

    Ferrari has stepped in and will cover next week’s wet tyre session. However, the decision by the world champions has left Pirelli concerned about the potential impact on its tyre development programme in future seasons.

    Tyre testing was one of the topics that came up when the fine detail of 2021’s new F1 financial regulations was being discussed. It was agreed that in order to take tyre test costs out of the budget cap, any team taking part would be able to knock $200,000 off its total spending figure for the year for each day of running.

    A $400,000 “credit” for the two-day Ricard test sounds like a decent compromise. However, Mercedes is sailing so close to the 2021 budget cap total of $145m that it still couldn’t justify doing the test – and for a couple of specific reasons.

    Firstly, in the middle of a busy 23 event season, the team would usually plan to use mechanics from its demo or heritage car staff to cover for the regular race team guys. These people do not come under the cost cap, because their usual day-to-day work does not involve the current race programme.

    They are allowed to contribute some days to current activities – but if that goes over 10% of their hours then their whole salary would come under the cap, and thus be allocated to the annual spend. Quarantine requirements on return to the UK add to the complexity of sending a crew over just for the test.

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    The second issue is engine costs. Buried in an appendix to the 2021 F1 sporting regulations called “PU supply perimeter” is a little known reference to total testing mileage for the year.

    In essence it states that a team’s annual PU leasing bill covers two cars for the race season, plus up to 5000kms of testing. It adds: “Additional PUs or spares required to replace units out of service due to accident damage or other cause induced by the competitor will be outside the supply perimeter and will incur additional charges.”

    In other words, the power unit leasing cost that teams declare in their annual expenditure – and Mercedes GP pays its parent company Daimler AG the same figure as its three customers – includes only 5000kms of testing. If you go above that, the extra PU costs have to be added to your spend, pushing you ever closer to the cap limit.

    This year Mercedes has already conducted three days of testing in Bahrain, two short 100km filming days, and two days of 18-inch tyre running for Pirelli at Imola. It still has to do the Budapest one-day tyre test, and then the Abu Dhabi test after the final race.

    Had the team run at Paul Ricard for two days next week it would have exceeded 5000kms for the year, triggering extra PU costs that would then be added to the total spend for the season.

    “We are trying to make the budget cap, which is not trivial,” Mercedes boss Toto Wolff said on Thursday. “And we couldn’t take the costs related to the tyre test and we wouldn’t have been able to send our mechanics on such a long journey.”

    It’s worth pointing out that in 2021 this mileage situation only really impacts Mercedes and Ferrari, as they are the only teams that originally volunteered to do five days of Pirelli running. The other major player pushing close to the cap, Red Bull Racing, opted to do just three days.

    Ferrari has now upped its total Pirelli testing commitment to seven days, and thus has found a way to absorb those extra engine costs within its cap spending.

    In addition, the Italian team is in a different situation to Mercedes regarding mechanics, in that it uses the race team guys – its crew will go straight from Monaco to Ricard next week. Thus it doesn’t get into the complex situation of the whole annual salary of non-F1 team employees suddenly coming under the cap.

    Maranello’s decision also indicates that the team is willing to run every lap that it can with 18-inch rubber, as there is always something to be learned, even with a mule car.

    “As Ferrari, we always said that 2022 is somehow our priority over 2021,” says team boss Mattia Binotto. “And testing Pirelli tyres, helping Pirelli develop the new tyres we believe is important for us.

    “Luckily enough we didn’t have a crash in Imola so eventually we have some more contingency to Mercedes today, so somehow we are happy to accept and support.”

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    Mario Isola, Racing Manager, Pirelli Motorsport and Mattia Binotto, Team Principal Ferrari

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    A couple of days of wet running being swapped to another team is perhaps not a big deal in the overall scheme of things. However, the significance is what the Mercedes decision says about the budget cap, and how much it is already impacting the day-to-day operations at the big teams.

    Don’t forget that the cap drops to $140m in 2022 and then $135m in 2023, so balancing the books will only become more difficult.

    And that is a potential issue for Pirelli, because the company plans to run a full programme of development testing next year as it hones its 18-inch tyres for their second season in 2023. The concern is that, especially with extra winter testing days likely to bump up their annual mileage, the top teams may find it difficult to justify involvement in the Pirelli programme.

    "When Mercedes came to me saying we could have an issue with your tyre testing, it was a bit of a surprise," said Pirelli F1 boss Mario Isola.

    “Obviously I'm talking to the FIA to discuss that, because if it is an issue this year, it's probably an issue also next year, and we have to find the solution.

    "Next year, they are going to use race cars, not new mule cars. So I need to understand how this will affect tyre testing.”

    Isola says Pirelli is always flexible, which is why swapping the Ricard test to Ferrari was not a big problem.

    “This year as usual, we made a plan with a rotation,” he noted. “Offering the test to all the teams, as we do every year. All the teams except Williams decided to make a mule car. So there was a plan already agreed with everybody.

    "Now with this decision for Mercedes, luckily we have found the availability of Ferrari for this wet test, so we can continue our development plan, as it was predicted, since the beginning of the season.

    “We are always ready and we need to be reactive, but the budget cap is something new. But because of the pandemic and because of the changes in the calendar we are already I would say ready to react to a similar situation. But this situation related to the budget cap was a bit of a surprise to me.”
     
  21. william

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    This highlights the fact that the budget cap is counter-productive, IMO.

    Even well-heeled teams have to go penny-pinching to meet an arbitrary budget limit.

    As for the idea that unlimited testing should come back, it's now a dead duck.
     
  22. DF1

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    Yes true. Testing and refueling in the future, seem to have no place.
    If Mercedes are close to the limit then others could be as well. I guess Mercedes can thank Russell lol :)
     
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