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  1. MarkCollins

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    #1 MarkCollins, Jan 4, 2015
    Does anybody have the relevant section of the workshop manual together with SD3 requirements, I'm trying to establish if a special code is req'd to reset the wear level. It's been suggested a code is provided with a new set of discs

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  2. Ferrari 360 CS

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    #2 Ferrari 360 CS, Jan 4, 2015
    Friend of mine is currently in the same predicament, his OBC is saying the discs are worn but apparently the only real way to determine if they are actually are worn is to have them weighed, apparently there is a minimum weight.

    He also established that if new discs are purchased then the factor provides a code to rset the wear level, this will also be supplied I am told if the dealer establishes that the discs conform to the aforementioned minimum weight.
     
  3. MarkCollins

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    #3 MarkCollins, Jan 4, 2015
    Thanks Jacques, I can also confirm that Brembo say the algorithm used by Ferrari is extremely conservative and even though the dash shows them as worn the likelihood is they are far from it. The problem is that at present i've been unable to establish the required weights
     
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    #4 Zarathustra, Jan 4, 2015
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    To my knowledge, one does not weigh the disc to determine wear.

    The minimum thickness allowed for the pads is 3 mm/0.12 in. (thickness of the friction material only). The maximum permitted wear of the CCM disc is 0.5mm. Worn pads alone can turn on the CCM dash light. Usually the pads wear at twice the rate of the discs, but I would measure both.

    The 599 software algorithm analyses vehicle usage and creates separate % of wear values for the front and rear brakes. Once the 100% wear threshold is reached the dash light turns on.

    Once the discs are replaced the index on the instrument panel may be reset with an appropriate diagnostic instrument. (Unfortunately, a Ferrari factory instrument or an Accinni Leonardo.) Replacing the discs and the car’s mileage is also stored in the statistics memory. So if you are replacing the discs yourself, you will likely have to make a trip to the dealer to get the light turned off.

    I would love to know if there are any inexpensive OBD2 scanners useful for the 599. Especially one that looks at the two different ECUs (one for each bank).
     
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    #5 tazandjan, Jan 4, 2015
    Gary- No OBD reader will give you F1/TCU, brake instrument panel, or suspension info. Cheapest tool I have seen that does is Autoingenuity for about $3800.
     
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    #6 MarkCollins, Jan 5, 2015
    Re the weighing/ vs wear, brembo described the process whereby the material oxidises creating air pockets which lightens the disc, the only way to determine condition is by weight. The Dealers confirm there are no wear levels for the CCMs although the Bell may show same as the Bell is common to the Steel solution.

    I've had some more info back from 3 Dealers and would advise on the process

    Dealer orders discs from Ferrari and fits, Modis is updated and then the Dealer applies to the Ferrari Field Engineer for a reset code which is apparently generated by the factory. Without this code apparently the CCM wear warning on the dash cannot be reset


    I'm still investigating as I'd intended to have the discs refurbished by Sicom, SICOM EUROPE - High performance ceramic braking systems - CCM brakes - SICOM Brakes - High performance ceramic braking systems - CCM brakes however if I can't get the dash reset that isn't going to work.
     
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    #7 Ferrari 360 CS, Jan 5, 2015
    I will see if I can find out what the minimum weight should be.
     
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    #8 Wheels1, Jan 5, 2015
    Just curious Mark, could you tell us how many miles you have done in your car?
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  9. MarkCollins

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    #9 MarkCollins, Jan 5, 2015
    Hi Grant

    The car has completed 25k miles however the wear is mostly down to doing charity ride events on track (Goodwood, Supercar day at TG circuit etc) Typically a day will lake 10-15% of disc and pad wear, in future I think I'll just make a cash donation!
     
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    #10 Zarathustra, Jan 5, 2015
    Thanks, Taz!
    $3800 isn't too bad... it's just enough to be annoying.
     
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    #12 tazandjan, Mar 18, 2015
    Both Mov'It and Racing Brake offer replacements for OEM CCMs that are much tougher and longer lasting than the OEM CCMs.
     
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    #13 MarkCollins, Mar 23, 2015
    Thanks Terry, that would be great if only i can find away to get the dash reset without a code
     
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    #14 GTrr, Sep 10, 2015
    Hi
    How did you handle the dash reset?
    thanks
     
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    #15 MarkCollins, Sep 10, 2015
    Gerjo

    For me it was a simple case of them using an SD3 tool, no need for codes or all the other misleading information given by dealers/ Ferrari tech.



    I thought I'd updated this thread but can wholly recommend the Sicom product, brakes are awesome. Only problem we had was extracting the bells from the old discs, one cracked as it was total seized. I would recommend sending your bells/ discs complete to Sicom and ask them to do the swap
     
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    #16 GTrr, Sep 10, 2015
    Thanks Mark, good to hear you like the brakes. Will go for SICOM too; yes will send them my brakes to avoid problems with the bells.
    But sorry, what is a SD3 tool?
     
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    #17 Caeruleus11, Sep 10, 2015
    Very nice information! Thank you for sharing! Isn't SD3 the diagnostic computer the dealers use?
     
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    #18 MarkCollins, Sep 14, 2015
    Yes, dealers and some independents have the SD3 (Service Diagnostics 3) tool
     
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    #19 Sandy Eggo, Sep 14, 2015
    If the Dealer didn't do the work, don't be surprised if they refuse to reset the code. They'll claim it's a liability issue... i.e., How do they know the work is done correctly and if it's not - and they clear the code - that could set them up for a lawsuit.

    I had routine service done on my Quattroporte by a highly reputable local independent shop. The only way to get the annoying "Car due for service" message at every start was to use the SD tool (which this independent shop did not have). My dealer refused to accommodate me and clear the message. :/
     
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    #20 GTrr, Sep 15, 2015
    Does this mean that a garage can only reset the computer if they have a SD3 tool?
     
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    #21 GTrr, Sep 28, 2015
    To keep this threat updated: the garage definitely needs an SD3 tool to reset the dash. Not all specialists have such a tool so be sure to ask.

    SICOM has been very helpful !
     
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    #22 SICOM, Sep 28, 2015
    Not every independent garage will have the SD3 diagnostic tool unfortunately. I believe they are many thousands of Euros/Dollars/Pounds to buy.

    Very similar to SOLUS tools but way more expensive. I guess that is the Ferrari tax! :D
     
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    #23 tazandjan, Sep 28, 2015
    SD3, Leonardo, AutoEnginuity, Texa are all options and the latter two are much less expensive.
     
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    #24 GTrr, Sep 29, 2015
    Thanks again for your help, Wolfgang. My dealer will contact you shortly.
     
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    #25 jorge da cruz, Apr 23, 2021
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    €16 000 all 4 CCM Discs new all 8 brake pads New ... Reset of codes ... that's the average price mate... ONLY Done by Ferrari tool shop
    you do it yourself ok
    Need to reset the codes (factory online) by them NOT DONE ... When yo want to sell your car and do a PPI it will show there and RUIN your sale creates a mistrust only luck is if you find a buyer who ignores the CCM wear and killm miles of the car he is buying so GO EASY ON fas Ideas Mate
     
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