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  1. Art_collector

    Art_collector Karting

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    I think that it will be a V6 with +/- 900hp without hybride for the 812 vs I think 840-860 NA V12
     
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  2. [gTr]

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    Very interesting since this car has been totally under wraps so far. You are only the second person to have mentioned this car on Fchat that too just in the past week or so. Before that no one knew or at least mentioned this car.
     
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  3. dcmetro

    dcmetro F1 Veteran

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    The 812 with a V6 ?
     
  4. greyboxer

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    Presumably you mean apart from in the two dedicated threads which have been regularly updated for the past two years.......
     
  5. [gTr]

    [gTr] Formula 3

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    He is not talking about the V6 twin turbo hybrid F8 replacement aka the little brother. I too made this mistake when @Wheels1 first posted about this new V6 "supercar" but apparently its a completely different limited edition model and now two folks living in two different regions have posted about it.
     
  6. greyboxer

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    We're agreed that the car is not LB but there are still two lengthy threads in Supercar
     
  7. Art_collector

    Art_collector Karting

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    No v12
     
  8. aobao1993

    aobao1993 Formula Junior

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    what car??
     
  9. Lukeylikey

    Lukeylikey F1 Rookie
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    Here's another thought as to why the 812 VS could be worthy of big news (per the video), maybe it's the first Ferrari road engine that revs to 10,000rpm? Is that even possible? If it is.....that would be incredible!
     
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  10. dcmetro

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    I don't understant, the 812 is a past model, what exactly are you refering to with the engine you mentionned
     
  11. Maloja

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    I have had a meeting where I have got the first hand information that the 812 VS will have an additional booster that will bring it to the next performance level where as the SF90 shows the direction whatever that means. The answer to my suggestive question about being the 812 SF representing the last fully N/A V12 was a clear indirect yes.

    Let‘s see.

    Especially 812 SF (812 GTS) should get support if really true.


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  12. F140C

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    Hoping for 9'500 RPMs.
     
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  13. italiafan

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    I have an 812SF and have driven it very aggressively on deserted back country roads...the thought of “bringing it to the next performance level” is just automotive insanity. My god the 812 is fast!
     
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  14. sh11783

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    A turbo charged V12 is a Tuscan Villa with an pineapple plantation in the back - give me a break - and a huge let down if true. Where is the line going to be drawn? When is enough, enough? The NA V12 has been the heart and soul and the pride and joy since the first Ferrari car was delivered in the 1940's - entirely hand built on its own line by Ferrari's most experienced engineers. Yes, we are near the end because of regulations but we are not at the end yet - this limited edition must be a celebration of the storied history of the pure ecstasy of the Ferrari V12 not a desecration of it. Leave it to the next series V12 hybrids/ hyper cars to usher in that era. I dare say for old time Ferraristi this could be the first time the series V12 car could become more coveted than the Speciale. Lets see what's in store.
     
  15. Solid State

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    Monza owners disagree. Superfast had three released models after it that were NA V12 no GPF, and five models after it NA V12 (and counting). Sorry.
     
  16. Maximus1977

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    That would nearly render the SF90 undesirable. Why opt for a V8 Hybrid as the 'Halo' car when you can get a Hybrid V12?
    Special Limited versions have always had a more race oriented focus; that doesn't seem to fit Ferrari's image of a hybrid.
    A rev limiter of 10,000rpm would be pure bliss/heaven/legendary and news worthy of excitement.
     
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  17. Maximus1977

    Maximus1977 Formula Junior

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    Agreed. Turbo's on a V12 nearly make no sense unless you want a short lived engine with 2000+hp.
     
  18. DrUmBeAsT

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    Maybe the additional booster (in whatever shape it may come, so not necessarily a hybrid) is needed in order to extract the extra HP? When the 812 SF sits at 800, would customers still be happy if the VS "only" had 820? Probably not?! The Monza has 810 if I remember correctly, so just maybe in order for it to achieve enough of an upgrade over the regular 812 SF engine, extra technology, boost, whatever, has to be included.. If anybody really needs more power than there already is, that's an entirely differenct topic..
     
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  19. Solid State

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    I agree. You can clearly see the two collectors with 6 exhaust chambers in each for a V12. No forced induction is shown. Something is up with the engine. Ferrari makes engines.
     
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  20. cesman

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    The Cosworth V12 in the Gordon Murray T50 revs to 12,100 so it’s certainly possible.


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  21. dcmetro

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  22. nads

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    Typically lazy and uninformed motor journalism.....not worth the paper it was written on. :mad:
     
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  23. dcmetro

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    So well said.
     
  24. ilcapodizurigo

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    You could not have said it better! A purosangue with some Hybrid plug in - fine, all daily cars will eventually be EVs. But this, this needs to be the one that‘ll be remembered for ever!
     
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  25. Forza Scuderia

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    Clearly you are including Monza, GTC4 Lusso, GTS and VS coupe and VS Aperta in your country roster. If the VS has any assistance device whatsoever it does not count as pure V12 in my opinion. Personally I do not count a car where you need to wear a helmet such as the Monza as a road car. The GTC4 Lusso should not really be in the conversation as pretty much nobody wanted it and it was discontinued before the 812 SF ended production. GTS awesome but not completely pure due to GPF. Not going to say that people who consider Monza as last pure V12 Ferrari are wrong. I’m just going to respectfully disagree. In my opinion, and others have theirs for sure, but in my opinion the last pure Ferrari V12 road car you could buy was the 812 Superfast.
     
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