At best yes let’s not forget since the tdf was released there have been thousands of new expensive/linited edition supercars supplied to the market most of them suffering heavy depreciation and finding no buyers. The tdf isn’t selling right now in the uk at £600k and 458 speciale aperta aren’t selling at 500k euros. It’s a different market now
Interesting perspectives thank you. So just curious guys if you get a call that you have an allocation for the 812 VS and the price is $1.2m are you passing?
Even with a 'leave no money on the table' approach I think that is an unrealistic price point for the car. It should be closer to the $700-800k mark.
Agreed $700 mark with decent option list and tax included seems like the right ballpark in this market, assuming it’s limited and numbered like the tdf
So guys you are saying it will cost under 40% of the last limited edition 812-based car? (Monza). I’m all-in at $1m plus options for the coupe and $1.2m plus options for the aperta making final prices $1.15m for coupe and $1.35m for aperta. I hope I am wrong.
My guess is between $100-150k more than the current f12 tdf market price - very similar to the pista/speciale history, resulting in no difficulty to sell for Ferrari but cool second hand market.
The last limited edition v12 VS to me was the tdf , it sold for about $600 mark all inclusive during a much stronger market at a time when the company wasn’t dumping so many cars and when supply of other exotic and supercars was nowhere near what it is today. The tdf today isn’t selling at $750, the speciale aperta isn’t selling at under $600 I’m struggling to see how one could justify a price point at usd 1.2mm so double what the tdf cost when it was released and being now in a much softer market where there ample choice of limited edition cars for sale...at usd 1.2mm you can almost buy a tdf and a 458 SA. And the SA was limited to 499 unite and holds the title of last naturally aspirated V8 VS as well..
In Europe tdf are about 700k euros (so slightly less than 800k usd) so i would expect 900k usd + (below $1M but not by much), which would also allow a significant gap with the SF90 without breaking the symbolic bar of the million...
Correct, but the point is Ferrari left a lot of money on the table. They have systematically closed out that opportunity for speculators. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
What do you mean, by "less aggressive engine"? By any measurable metric it is leaps and bounds better than the 599 GTO's engine. Power, responsiveness, ability to rev, you name it.
Unless this car has full CF body and a bunch of increased power and a numbered badge there is no way it should sticker at $515k more than the F12TdF. With the regular numbered VS mods the base should start with a 6 for the coup.
If you take into account the thousands of cars those speculators bought in order to qualify for special editions I am not sure they lost that much money on the contrary and in my opinion at 1.2 mm they are making it clear that speculation/the game was not worth it hence putting some future orders at risk. I dont believe they need to price it at usd 1.2 mm to be put in a position not to lose money overall imo. I doubt speculators who’ve lost hundreds of thousands in normal production cars will be reassured and financially convinced by a price point twice as high as the tdf was for a potentially higher volume production car ( let alone the fact there will also be hundreds potentially more apertas). My humble opinion
You will appreciate that sophistication and engineering advances can often dial out crudity and character. Many would say an F40 or 430 Scud for that matter is more exciting than a Pista Spider or SF90. That sort of thing. GPF filters also. Our tastes all vary I like a bit of analogue.
Great question. I think I am a buyer of the 812 VS aperta up to about $750k but unfortunately I think it will be way higher. Let me give you a data point from 2 weeks ago (damn I hope I don’t get in trouble with FNA). Anyway two weeks I got a call that I was allocated one of the “couple of dozen” 488 GT Modificata track toys. It’s an unrestricted 488 GT3. A new 488 GT3 is around $750k a lightly used once is around $500k so you can unrestrict it or you can leave it as is and go GT3 racing. So the unrestricted GT3 can’t be raced so it is only a track toy. Anyone care to guess where it was priced?
I would assume that it all boils down to personal taste. The F40 was one of the cars that disappointed me. Never meet your heroes, as they say. As much as I like the raw experience, the sheer power and immediacy, always wins in my book. I really want to feel the 1000 CV of the SF90 Stradale. Up until now, the V12s have me hooked with their push in the back.
Yes had two F40s, the most exciting car to have in your garage to look at at, but one of the worst to drive hard; awful brakes, torque of a 1970 Fiat 500 unless you were at 4,000 revs, the US spec with the stupid seatbelt on the track and ultra delicate interior like the seats etc and if you had a US model catastrophic deprecation if you actually drive it. Of course when you see those mystery F40s with 2,800 miles but with the inexplicably baggy seats you need to remember that if the speedo relay in the gearbox accidentally gets unscrewed a couple of turns the speedo and hence the mileage don’t move ...
