F8 or STO?

The STO will surely be better than whatever they have put out in that platform but whether it measures up against the rivals is another question altogether.

 

Exactly this. I think it’s reasonable for Lamborghini clients to expect the STO to be the most exciting Huracan variant yet but it’s a tall order to think it will outperform its competitors on track. Time will tell. One thing is certain, Lambo is focused on emphasizing that it’s basically a street legal STS as evidenced by their marketing slogan “Based on a true story”.

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That’s the only question I have for now. Thanks in advance.

 

I would like to believe this but they could be watching Lambo come out with seventeen versions of a Huracan or Aventador and some keep buying.

 

If they come out with an F8 version of the Pista, there is no reason ever to buy a new Ferrari again. Why would you when the wait lists for the imposisble to get Pista was forever and now the used market is littered with them. Same will happen with F8 and their special edition and anything else Ferrari puts out. Savvy consumers will thunk twice about dropping that much coin.

 

To answer your question: I signed the preliminary order already.
Thru this, my Intension is far from insisting in something that is beyond any reality, or even an attempt to forum BSing. But to help to create more clarity,
Besides the fact my contact is the GM of the largest dealer in the country, I wonder whether there are tendencies to neglect, at least hide Ferraris true plannings by high officials as long as possible. Only to justify the future existence of the Tributo.
We will see. Thanks anyhow for the exchange.

 

No different to Porsche wth 50 versions of essential the same car. The 911R, Speedster etc are perfect examples in how to utterly bend over your customers. Yet it doesn't stop customers happily buying the next one.

 

I agree but they will still have people lined up who think they're special to buy one. I don't begrudge anyone making money but don't be a whole.

 

Short term they might win. But what kind of customer would you want- a one time buyer who saves up to get the latest and greatest or someone who buys repeatedly? The repeat customers will
Move on and that will not be good for ferrari

 

RACE is doing well, investors want to see profits increase and the amount of supercar buyers is increasing every year. I can't see Ferrari missing out which is why I wouldn't rule out a F8 Pista variant.

 

The fact that LB is due to be unveiled in 2021 and that we haven’t seen any F8 VS mules running around lends me to believe that it won’t become a reality. Further, I don’t think they could make it sufficiently outperform the Pista without then nipping at the heels of the SF90 or without taking the limelight away from the LB. Ferrari will want all eyes to be on the new car.

 

Thanks for your candid and honest answer WM458. I guess time will tell who's source is BS. If it be found true, I can only imagine what it would do with Pista values and how it would affect valuable clients who had gone to the extra length of building TM Pista's at considerable expense. Frankly I can't see what Ferrari would gain by the exercise other than burning a lot of existing clients to the ground and placing doubt over their SF newer range. It could also piss off a number of SF90 customers. Just imagine if you had an SF90 order in and you found out you could buy a LW F8 with the same or better engine in it? If it were me I'd be telling them to jam their SF90 order where the sun doesn't shine and I doubt I'd be the only one.

It is no longer just about power and speed for these LW versions either as evidenced by STO, GT3 which have naturally aspirated engines. 765LT is turbo but also not that much faster, and probably not notably faster than F8 or Pista on a circuit anyway.

The only way an F8 LW version would be able to compete with cars like 765, STO, and new GT cars is by completely revising the existing chassis to make it raw and connected in feel along with adding a decent sound - desirably a naturally aspirated v10 or v12 engine given its clear the turbo V8 has sound issues since GPF. This would involve considerable work and changes to existing chassis componentry to an end of life model, and, would accordingly require considerable track testing which would have revealed the car by now in some form or other. 2021 is only a matter of days away now too. Then there is the case where an outgoing lw version would cast doubt and detract attention away from the future models (SF90 - LB) and i'm not sure how that would work positively for SF90 sales or LB which would have to be getting close to release. I suspect what your dealer is referring to is LB release late 2021 after all going by all the spy pics LB seems to be using much the same body as F8.

 

Add to the fact every F8 spider and coupe order would be in jeopardy as people would try to scramble to get the f8 special edition- that would hurt Ferrari quarterly numbers hugely.

Little brother coming soon.
Purosangue coming soon.
F8 special edition probably not coming anytime soon.

 

Yes simple logic says it's lights out after F8 and on with the new models.

I wonder what @ferr9000 may have to add on the matter?

 

day355 already said no special edition.

 

Herein lies the rub. I don’t think Ferrari cares about performance. If they did, Pista would have bested 720 by 20-30 hp. But it’s essentially exactly the same. And the F8- the ty could have done a carbon tub, more hp, lighter weight. They did nothing.

I think they are content to lose the performance race to Mclaren and be content knowing that there are people who consider Ferrari the penultimate in sports cars. Many on this board have said so- Ferrari is tops and everything else is a step below.

They sold every Pista they made. They will sell every F8 and F8 they make. All these people talking about Ferrari not leaving profits on the table- they aren’t. They are already milking it to the max. They have to be concerned about legacy and longevity. Throwing another special edition car- 3rd one in 10 tee Wes on the same platform is not going to win them any points with their existing customer base. And I’d they think they can build a whole new base of customers willing to drop 400k on a car- well- I wouldn’t be so sure about that as a long term strategy. Always cheaper to keep your existing customers than to gain new ones and the f8 special edition has lots of risks for them.

 

F8 VS will have buyers lining up. No reason to think otherwise.

 

So will little brother. So will f8 spider.

 

You’re not wrong.

 

True. But at what cost? Trust is a big thing at this level of spend. New customers buying Ferrari's would have to start thinking when is it going to happen to them too. I know I would be thinking twice about spending my money with an unpredictable company who says one thing and then does the complete opposite once they have your money. They burnt a lot of GTB customers that's for sure. Not sure if they can continue getting away with that type of behavior unscathed.

 

There’s always new money that wants into the brand or those who have been snubbed in the past. The heavy hitters will always buy the special cars. Ferrari isn’t running out of buyers any time soon.

 

I beg to differ. At this level of spend there isn't an endless supply of buyers. Once a company instills uncertainty at this level of spend resale values will start falling through the floorboards.

 

not an endless supply but there’s plenty. Especially with Asian millionaires growing daily.

 

Is that why lusso are flying off the shelf? Same with Portofino ‘s? There isn’t an endless supply of buyers not at this level. Yes there are buyers but Ferrari wants the right type of buyer.