I was trying to find the post on the forum and can't seem to locate it. I believe the gentleman had it done earlier this year, late Feb or March timeframe? I think there were a number of leaks, cracked wheel, stickies, possibly cracked header? Don't quote me on all of that as it's been a while and IEDs are a jerk to my short-term. None of that is really a deal-breaker for a lot of folks; stickies can be DIY addressed with a microfiber, rubbing alcohol, and time. Headers are replaceable (most people do anyway) and if the crack isn't in a horrible spot those can be repaired. Trying to find a single challenge replacement *COULD* be less than easy, and there's never a total guarantee it would be free of issues itself. Leaks.....could be simple, could be a 3-month tear-down depending what it is. With all that as fodder one has some bargaining power regardless, so provided a THOROUGH PPI were performed and issues noted, one could either get a smoking deal on (IMO) one of the best color combos around and put in a little elbow grease for a great driver, or at least have them send it to a Ferrari dealer to have all the issues addressed there. Certainly not saying don't buy it at all, just that it's definitely a car to have gone over in explicit detail.
Thanks for the input. I’ve been speaking to them on this car and have them a pretty low price, but not sure I need another F car since I bought my first in July and haven’t even enjoyed that one yet... Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Timing isn't right for me yet, but i've been keeping an eye on it. Hopefully whoever ends up with it 1. knows about the possible issues and 2. enjoys the hell out of it. Go for it!! I'll live vicariously until I know I'm solid enough to push the button and the right one comes along for me.
Assuming it's this: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/my-horrible-experience-with-eag-eurpoean-auto-group-san-antonio.632945/#post-147594420 May have happened before the recent intervention with Art's business management skills. Nonetheless, relevant to the thread.
I am waiting for a few other things to be fleshed out before posting my review on the conversion but I can say that I received a minimal amount of my parts back and it has been a few weeks (promised to have been shipped this past weekend). Also, I have had two PM’s from people who had conversions done that had significant mechanical or electrical issues that supposedly art refused to fix. I’d guess there will be more threads once they move through their process with remedy... I will clarify and post a separate review later but just saw a few folks wondering what happened to my car/my issues so didn’t want to appear as though I had disappeared.
Actually, the Drama of Ferrari is exactly why I left honda-tech. I like the theater and passion of the marque. When I had the NSX and S2000, as wonderful machines they never made my heart race like a Ferrari.
I think I understand your central premise. Why buy a converted 430 when you can get a factory 6 speed for a comparable price. A non-sequitur for sure; I think everybody here would agree with you. If one can find a comparable car, absolutely one should forgo the trouble of a 3rd party conversion. Still, I think the fact that folks are doing it should answer your question: how common is the scenario you pose? As for the superiority of hydromantic F1s, as you said = to each their own. Finally, let me present to you one last scenario - a person who owns an F1 F430 but doesn't want to part with it and desires the same exact car converted.
also for what ever reason there seem to be very few late model 2007 to 2009 factory sticks (maybe theyre being hoarded by collectors) but most of the factory ones seems to be 05 and 06. The factory cars def seem to trade at a 20 to 30% premium over converted. Along with paul's observation above, if i were in the 430 market today i wld be looking for the nicest 430 i cld find with most desired specs and then i wld have it converted. there is plenty of room in the world for factory and converted 430s.
As I already wrote...... do what you want with your car. I don’t care. It’s none of my business My post was directed to the gentlemen making the claim that the conversion made the car no different than a factory 6 speed and that a fake BaT auction proved his point. Since my last post which was months ago, other 6 speed converted. 430s have gone through BaT with lousy results so my point stands
Hmm, strange; I looked at BAT and the 6-speed conversions. Didn't hurt the values but improved them - if I were to break even, I would certainly not use the term 'lousy; Of course, I only have a sample size of two as a couple were bid up pretty high (but ultimately didn't sell) Of course original will always be worth more than an aftermarket, no doubt. With factory 6 speeds average sale prices in the $200s and F1s in the 90s, a 6-speed conversion seems economical. In the case of saying a CS, Scud - your only choice. I would say your point falters.
Haven’t received it yet. Its at eag and has not melted or vanished. 360trev is almost finished with the manettino programming.
Yeah, that's what I'm seeing. Hence my confusion @Jason Crandall viewpoint. I mean I get it, if you buy a 90K F430, drop $30k on the conversion, and now can only sell your F430 for 80K or below. I would be giving Jason the "wise advice" trophy of the year... I'm seeing more like you buy a 90K F430, drop 30K and sell for $120K, not lousy by any measure if you ask me. Especially if the cheapest 6 speed is more than 120K.
Yes, that's "NormalSuperguy's" car. You should know why it was deflated in price. The car was used as his workshop car and "how to fix" car. See the image below? That's his channel. Would you buy that car? Most importantly, notice it didn't sell. I never use bid prices for valuation, only actual selling prices (like below) 2008 Spider 6 speed $256,430 2006 Coupe 6 speed $199,000 2005 Coupe 6 speed $200,000 2008 Spider 6 speed $205,000 2005 Coupe 6 speed $140,000 2006 Coupe 6 speed $163,000 2007 Coupe 6 speed $161,430 2005 Coupe 6 speed -Converted $135,000 2007 Coupe 6 speed -Converted $116,100 2008 Spider 6 speed $145,500 2005 Spider 6 speed $176,000 2008 Coupe 6 speed $245,000 2005 Coupe 6 speed $191,000 2006 Coupe F1 $98,800 2005 Spider F1 $116,000 2006 Coupe F1 $90,500 2007 Spider F1 $99,430 2005 Spider F1 $92,000 2005 Spider F1 $120,100 2005 Spider F1 $95,500 2006 Spider F1 $81,500 2006 Spider F1 $87,200 2006 Spider F1 $81,000 2006 Spider F1 $90,000 2008 Spider F1 $88,500 2008 Spider F1 $96,000 2006 Spider F1 $140,000 2008 Spider F1 $120,000 (does not include 5% buyer's commission) Those are BAT SOLD prices, feel free to verify yourself, and run the numbers. You'll see as I said. Your point falters. Kind Regards.
I am confused. Was the 2017 linked sale on BaT manual a conversion unit? Can you mark which ones were converts? 99% sure that link is not the Normalguy car since different interior and also owned in Nevada. BTW the PPI of 75k in repairs was not even normalguy's car. It was someone who hired him and was about a different car completely (California), did you not watch the video?
