LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

LaF and TDF combustion motors are probably not as similar as they may seem ... cam profiles, valve sizing, ignition timing etc may be significantly different. Again, the presence of the hybird/KERS system allows the ICE to be tuned for higher-rpm power, without concern over loss of low-end torque.

If you could simply cut-out the hybrid/KERS system of LaF ... you would not enjoy the driving experience. The two systems were optimized together, not separately.

 

Agreed. Would also be interesting to see how the M5 LaF prototype performs..458 chassis and engine, steering, suspensions and ESP systems from the LaFerrari, without KERS. The closest thing to a modern Testarossa.

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Anyway, I believe the next halo car will follow the LaF's steps.. tech move forwards, not backwards.

 

I think it'll be over 1000 horses but much lighter even if it's hybrid. I'd say no more than 1250 kilos dry and obviously RWD. It could be AWD, but I don't think they'd do that. 0-100 in between 2.0-2.5 seconds, 0-200 in about 5 seconds and 0-300 in no more than 10 seconds. I think even 0-400 is possible in 20 seconds. After all the LaFerrari has a top speed of 372 kmph. But most importantly, a Fiorano lap time around 65-70 seconds.

 

what tifosi need :
Nice looking car
light car
good sound
nimble car.

extreme performance no longer matters

 

In my opinion, these figures aren't even that hard to believe for the halo car, even 1250-1300 PS would be likely considering that the SF90, who took the 812's place as the king of the lineup, already overtook the LaF in terms of power output.

 

as a tifosi i also like to see ferrari has one of the fastest and also not so nimble... i would say "extreme"

 

Why the fascination with power. Surely power to weight ratio and overall emotion/drama/driving experience is more important in a halo Ferrari these days. Anyone can build a very powerful car. But only the best manufacturers (and especially Ferrari) can make a desirable one.

 

Power isn't the most important thing but it's still part of the overall package. And, in my opinion, there's now way Ferrari is going to launch a new halo car in 2023 (?) with less power than the SF90 Stradale.

 

Probably true. But if that is the case it probably means they can’t deliver the required halo model performance advantage needed over sf90 without it.

 

With age my perception of things has changed.
But I understand your point of view.

 

I’d rather have the prototype M5 LaF than the real thing any day.

 

Do you have any insight about these things dying in collections? Why would that happen. Wouldn't they be on a charger?

 

Various reasons. To start with I have seen cars that people forgot to plug in, went on holiday and came back to find them dead. Inexcusable but happens to everybody.
Others plugged them in at a remote facility, the facility suffered a power outage and the car died before power was restored. Unlucky to have an outage that lasts this long but if it happens there is nothing you can do unless you receive an automated alert.
I also know of one case where the car died out of the blue, was diagnosed as needing a new battery and Ferrari challenged the request to replace the battery for free as the car had under 1000km on the odometer after 5 years, i.e. it was not being used. Apparently the manufacturer recommends regular use of the car to maintain the health of the battery (I have no idea if they ended up paying for it or not)

Either way, leaving the car with no power is not uncommon and it can’t be such an expensive mistake. It is a big deterrent to anyone who aspires to owning a LaF


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or any Ferrari hybrid, can't imagine how many SF90s will share these same fates (and LBs, and whatever else)...and its battery power even more critical as reverse gear completely depends upon it...

 

Here's the first test mule, in modified LaF bodywork.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1110332_ferrari-special-series-laferrari-successor-test-mule-spy-shots

 

According to the warning stickers this mule seems to be a hybrid. So that would suggest the LaF replacement is not going to go the route of this thread's title. But maybe it could also be something else? F167 mule?

 

You know as much as I do.

 

as much or rather as little ....

 

The test mule can be anything.

Anyway, I don´t think that Ferrari´s hypercar should be about pleasing the purists but about the latest stuff they have available, and that means hybrid. I also think that maybe it´s time to leave the NA V12 for the GT cars (yeah, I know I´m exposing to a lynch mob). Maybe a F1 derived V6 would fit better into this.

 

There has been talk for the past few months about a new battery to replace the original KERS one that is prone to dying when off the charger. Several I know who have had replacements at 200k+ euro (one unlucky enough to have it twice) and have been saying to Ferrari that they object to the same fragile battery again. Given they are among the top clients, for once Ferrari might actually be doing something about it, and this could be a test car for it.

 

This is a really interesting mule, could it be the rumoured design they held back when the la Ferrari was released? Also when do we think we can start seeing the mules for the replacement ?

 

Maybe a mule for the new V12 generation ?