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Any opinions on this 16 F12 for sale

Discussion in 'F12/812' started by Fastmd, Oct 21, 2020.

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  1. Fastmd

    Fastmd Karting

    Dec 1, 2011
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    I have been intrigued by the performance value of the F12s lately. I know the 812s are faster etc, but I have other fast cars.

    I really like Ferraris in white, and this car has a lot of the options I like, but is missing the LED wheel, and doesn't have much carbon.

    However, I am not sure if that makes this car less desirable?

    https://www.maseratili.com/inventory/used-2016-ferrari-f12-berlinetta-rwd-2d-coupe-zff74ufa9g0214345

    Any opinions on the build and price? What do you think is a fair price for this car?

    Many thanks.
     
  2. Bobby_P

    Bobby_P Karting

    Feb 25, 2004
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    I have been shopping the F12 & 812 (can't seem to decide) market for a few months now. The asking price for that car is definitely competitive as compared to other 2016s with similar miles.

    It does appear to be a low-option car...that wouldn't bother me, but I suspect it will be a "ding" when you go to sell/trade down the road.

    I am curious about the lack of LED steering wheel as it pertains to desirability myself. Hopefully others can chime in.

    When I came across that car the thing that stuck out to me was...upon reviewing the Carfax report...the battery for the vehicle was changed twice...in rather short order...by the previous owner. Perhaps it is just a symptom of the car sitting and not on a charger...or, if you have read some other posts on the forum regarding the issue, a symptom of a slow starting problem that seems to occur in warm weather (or when the car is hot) which doesn't seem to have a definitive fix.

    Would also be interested if some more experienced forum members also discuss what typical percentage of asking price you should expect to negotiate off for the F12 and 812.
     
  3. C50

    C50 Formula 3

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    Plenty of options at this point and the price delta is not very wide. You should make an offer on the car the checks off all your boxes. There’s no reason not to. I had an opportunity to buy a 17 with all of the options and all of the carbon, granted 15,000 miles, for 200k. That has clouded my vision on what the market will bear for an F12
     
  4. colonels

    colonels Formula Junior

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    car is middle spec around 385k msrp, the LED wheel can be added after for around 5k i did it myself on my F12.
    personally this car ticks all my options, color combo, lifter, rear camera, low miles and it is certified by ferrari so you can buy the extended warranty for 6k and get 2 years if they are still running that special.
    the price is fair it is a 2016 with 3k miles they stopped making F12 in 2017.
    only thing is the race seats have no height adjustment so if you are particularly short you will have to sit on a cushion.
    good luck i would bid on this if i didn't own one already!
     
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  5. Fastmd

    Fastmd Karting

    Dec 1, 2011
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    Prices seem to better on 16s and 17s than the older cars with equivalent mileage/options.

    I have not seen any deal like that, probably just a one off. But, miles make the biggest difference, which I am not sensitive about.

    Were you able to install the LED wheel yourself and no additional programming? The dealer told me something different, but we know salesman.
     
  6. 3POINT8

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    The interior spec is a bit unique so maybe a slower time to resell if that is important to you. The lack of a carbon fiber steering wheel would be my only real concern.
     
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  7. colonels

    colonels Formula Junior

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    You can source the wheel yourself through eurospares or any other site but you will have to pay Ferrari dealership to reprogram and that fee is around 2500 to 3000.
     
  8. Il Co-Pilota

    Il Co-Pilota F1 Veteran

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    Hopefully some place nice.
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    Low option car? How so? Looke pretty well optioned to me.

    At any rate, nice spec. A good blend of elegant and sporty.
     
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  9. Bobby_P

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    You know...you're right...it is a pretty well optioned car (minus extra carbon bits as the original author has mentioned). I was wrong in my initial assessment.
     
  10. Fastmd

    Fastmd Karting

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    I have asked them to send over the sticker so I can verify the options.
     
  11. ozcav

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    Having just purchased a 15 the price seems reasonable. I agree it isn’t low spec but it is a weird spec such as cf seats but not a cf wheel and not a high spec car. If it is what you want go for it. If not exactly right I would keep looking because it is a bit of a compromise.
     
  12. Il Co-Pilota

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    It is very individual what is a low spec. Yes there is no led wheel, but there are cf seats. This can be a sign of an owner whom did not care about gimmicks but was focused on what makes for a good drivers car etc. Let's be real for a second. The interior CF is in reality a very cheap product. We like the looks, but it is cheap to make and serves no purpose. It is carbon fiber laminated onto plastics, so it is not light either. Ferrari actually offers the trim in a very nice painted satin black, that both looks and feels nice. Wonder why so few opt for that. If production price is relative to exclusivity, painted interior trim is more exclusive than CF.

    To me CF does not equal high spec. Leather, electronics, paints etc. is high spec options. Custom stuff and atelier stuff is high spec.

    Just my take on it.

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  13. Fastmd

    Fastmd Karting

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    Very helpful. Thank you.
     
  14. KY _Soldier

    KY _Soldier Formula Junior

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    I looked at every F12 for sale in the last six months or so. As was said, this was an interesting spec tailored to a driver who wanted the racing seats and not a lot else. Low miles and clean, if it’s what you want I would get it. Ferrari NE has a great 16 as well in Silverstone Grigio that is more of a gentlemen’s car for similar money and they are great. Few more options and miles but both are very good options but very different specs. It’s really personal preference.
     
  15. Natkingcolebasket69

    Natkingcolebasket69 F1 World Champ

    #15 Natkingcolebasket69, Oct 22, 2020
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    I bought my FF without the led , my independent out one is sourced for 500 bucks, dealer wanted 4k...


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  16. Natkingcolebasket69

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    No need for the dealer. A good indi has the proxy mine did install and flash for 1170 for the wheel. I’d avoid the dealer for that see other screen shot of what they wanted.
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  17. rossodino

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    #17 rossodino, Oct 22, 2020
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    Well I think at this point it's what resonates with you. The options on this car were ordered by the original owner ,if you find it's meets your taste then, by all means I think you should make an offer ,it has very low miles so as a consequence it looks almost new, which is always great when buying a pre owned vehicle as Ferrari would like to say. I know you had questions on the LED wheel ,if you feel you would like to have that try to get that thrown into the deal. I would offer 215m to start ,they have had this car for awhile I believe and as another F-Chatter stated the spec is a bit unusual,I would agree .I think you can use this to your advantage in the negotiations. Best of luck!
     
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  18. 2006m5

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    nice spec....race seats are very nice if you fit in them.
     
  19. sampelligrino

    sampelligrino Formula 3

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    Gorgeous spec and welcome from Rennlist :) Let's get you converted. I say negotiate and go for it :D

    I love Bianco on the F12, it's a later MY F12 (bonus) plus you'll have more of the 7 year maintenance pack, and that is a sporty/stunning spec with the red interior, red calipers, forged wheels, and with race seats to boot which is a must have *in my opinion* (far prefer them to Porsche LWBS)

    I would definitely add the CF LED wheel and YMMV but I personally always pay the dealer tax that way I know they will make it right and exactly the way I want
     

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