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  1. MK1044

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    Crossram: Really, really nice job you are doing on your car. Please keep posting photos of the ongoing work. Mechanicals also.
     
  2. msdesignltd

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    Looking really good.
    my dream is to someday take this exact body and graft wide steel wheel well flares on to arches and fill wells with 15 inch polished Cragar wheels with 75 series wiiiide tires...The stance is phenomenal..change out tail lights to sequential fords..and of course " Paint it Black.!

    Please keep posting pics!
     
  3. Alpintourer

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  4. MK1044

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    Buddy, you'll go to Hell for that! :D
     
  5. MK1044

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  6. Alpintourer

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    I think a redo of the interior would bring this car's value up a notch.
    The eggplant color is unique; not unlike Ferrari's "Prugna".

    I almost bid on a blue one at a RM auction a few years ago but I could not fit my 6'5" frame comfortable inside.
     
  7. msdesignltd

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    I beg to differ..
    Near the end of the run there were Clevelands

    I had all 3 variations in late 70's... a 289 and 351 windsor and a 72 cleveland.
     
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  8. MK1044

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    Didn't know that. I stand corrected.
    I had a 1967 with a 289, and the name "Torino" (not "Italia").
    I wish I still had that car. Solid disc brakes and all.
     
  9. Alpintourer

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    Purple one on BaT was RNM at $95K
     
  10. TheMayor

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    That car is so pretty but the interior -- OMG what were they thinking.
     
  11. crossram

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  12. Sandgroper

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    Hi Dan, interested in what you sorted in relation to the bushing problems, I also have a 68 so any info would be a great help.
    Cheers
    Lee
     
  13. Mark Reber

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    Gerry Sung’s Intermeccanica Italia Spyder is on Bring a Trailer right now. You may recall his was restored by Paula and Henry’s crew at Intermeccanica in British Colombia, Canada. There are some great photos of the car in various stages. Interestingly the body was being considered as a buck for Intermeccanica to make new Italia’s from fiberglass. In the end, they just restored it.

    I’m sure some comments from our group here would be very helpful to the discussion!

    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-intermeccanica-italia-spyder-2/
     
  14. Mark Reber

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  16. Mark Reber

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    Alright, it seems that the old Intermeccanica Enthusiast Club website, which was ancient, is down. I don't have all the (sometimes contradictory) details and pencil drawings from that site, but I did manage to copy and email some of the part numbers, especially for the front end to a friend years ago. So I dug them up and will post them here. Please keep in mind that "definitive original parts" lists do vary:


    Taken from hand written notes/drawings by J.M.Wolf 6/19/74
    Bilstein - replacements through High Performance Auto Accessories
    Nut, washer & bolt from Zelenda or any other supplier
    S & V Imports
    Lower Control Arm
    Upper Control Arm
    1. Fiat 899983
    2. Fiat 4007973
    3. Fiat 4179997
    S & V Imports
    (Threads may have to be ground & unit tack welded to arm)


    OTHER ITEMS
    1. Italia Steering Column Support
    Casting - Fiat 600 - 850 #4033658
    2. Replacement Lower Control Arm Bushing supplied by S & V - you can use it but requires extensive screwing around.
    HARRIS #62332
    3. Caster = 4 - 4.5 +
    Camber = 0 - 1/4 +
    Toe In = 0 - 0 to very slight Toe Out
    4. Measurement for lower Compliance Arm
    *Double-ended rubber could be replaced with a ball joint similar to that used in the 1750 series Alfa Romero 15.5-15.75"
    5. Rack in steering unit should have its plastic bushing adjusted to eliminate some front end wobble.
    a.Back off mm 13 Lock Nut counter clockwise
    b.Turn adjustment screw clockwise til bottomed out and back off one full turn counter-clockwise
    c. Snug up mm 13 Lock Nut clockwise
    6.IMPORTANT NOTE
    If you own an Intermeccanica always use plenty of anti-seize compound
    Taken from hand written notes/drawings by J.M.Wolf 6/20/74
    7. To stabilize the front end further the factory installed a cross brace between the front end towers. On a '69 it can be installed using heavy wall conduit (1") with ends heated & crushed & 1/2" holes drilled - Weld Volkswagen seat bolts in front of shock mounts & install.
    Seat Belt Nut is locking type
    Lock Washer or Spacer
    Grind head on angle so bolt will be upright
    *Seat Belt hardware is nice because the bolt is fine thread & has a non-threaded shank- Nut is locking type & high quality.
    Here is an updated parts list for the Torino/Italia. As before, be sure to check that these parts will fit your particular car. In some cases I have been sent two different sets of part numbers for the same part. This may be due to a switch in parts during the model run.
    Any additions to this list will be appreciated and will be sent to other owners.
    FRONT SUSPENSION
    Part Name Source Price
    Anti-sway Bar Bushing Fiat 1100 (enlarge to 22mm)
    Inboard A-arm Bushing Fiat 1100D (lower A-arm inboard)
    Lower Ball Joints Intermeccanica $ 8.25ea
    Fiat 1800 Right 4015903 38.00ea
    Left 4015902
    Fiat Right 4080779
    Left 4080778
    Caliper Mount Plate Fiat 2300 will fit
    Steering Arm Fiat 849064
    Tie Rod Ends Fiat 4109626 (Fiat 1500?)
    Intermeccanica 6006 8.00ea
    BRAKES
    Pads Front Girling 643325750 (Ferrari)
    Mintex M33
    Volvo 1800S
    Pads Rear Girling 64325738 (Ferrari)
    Peugot 504, Maserati 3500
    Aston Martin, etc.
    Calipers Front Girling Volvo #16/3
    Rear Girling Volvo 122S #12/3
    AC Cobra, Fiat 2300
    Master Cylinder (double) Girling Triumph TR 5, Tr 250
    Pressure Warning Device Girling Triumph
    Brake Hose Pirelli from Fiat 2300
    Discs Custom machined by Intermeccanica
    Parking Brake Pads Girling 64932005
    STEERING
    Part Name Source Price
    Rack and Pinion Peugot
    Steering Shaft Sunbeam Tiger
    Steady Bearing RIZ-SKF #10L25
    Column Switch Assembly Made by VIF, Simca 1000


    This is Mark again, and here is a bunch more with detailed parts numbers:


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    Steering column support bearing = I.B.I. 6005-2RS (Torino). #21
    Rubber U-joint = Machine bushing out of 3" bar of aluminum. Triumph 150696 and Jaguar
    C10836/1 are not recommended (Italia). #20
    Steering arm = Fiat 1100-D #849065(L.) #849064(R.) Parts must be special ordered from Germany #20
    Steering rack = 304 Peugeot. #20
    Steering damper = Peugeot 4040-12 #18
    Steering wheel = Momo M20340 #16
    Rack 6 Pinion boots = Peugeot 404 #4066.03. #12
    Rack 6 Pinion = Peugeot 403-C. #12
    Steering shaft = Sunbeam Tiger. #12
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    Rear suspension components are marked with an *asterisk.
    A-arm bushings = '67 Olds Cutlass(exact) (Torino). #22
    Front outer anti-sway bar bushing & bracket = '71 G-10 Chevy van 03927019 and 00334671(Torino)#22
    Left upper control arm with ball joint = Fiat 4099150 (Italia). #22
    Control arm bushing = Fiat 4007923 (Italia) #22
    Upper ball joints = '77 Buick Skylark (Italia) #22
    Front shocks = rear shocks from full sized Olds #22
    *Rear shock absorber = Bilstein 446-476 #21
    Upper A-arm = Fiat 2300 #4099150 (r.), #4099151 (l.) with ball joint and bushing (Italia) #20
    Upper A-arm bushings = Fiat 600 & 850 #4179997 (washer), #899983 (bushing) (Italia) #20
    Lower A-arm = unique (Italia) #20
    Front shocks = Bilstein B46-466 (Italia) #20
    Tie rod Ends = Fiat 4109626 (Omega-Italia) #20
    Upper ball joint = Volvo 145 #686398 (welding necessary) (late Italia) #20
    Lower ball joint = Mercedes 250 (late Italia) #20
    Inboard upper A-arm bushing = Fiat 1100D #4007943 (Italia) #20
    Front shocks = Monroe Belgium #1007 B8B6 (Torino) #20
    Left front spindle assembly = Fiat 946065 (Torino) #20
    Front spindles = Fiat 2300S (all) #20
    Tires = Sempemit 205/70 SR 14 (Torino) #20
    Inner lower bushing = Hersey G529 modified (Italia) #20
    *Rear shocks = Monroe air shocks #MA-705 (Torino) #20
    *Rear control arm bushings = Alfa 102002530500 #20
    *Rear shackle kit = Ford C-3D2-5630B (or 3DZ?) two bushings per kit. #20
    Tie-rod end = Fiat 4100074 not 4109262. #20
    Front springs = Mercedes (Torino) #20
    Mag 500 wheels = Ford (gold instead of black) D7DC1007AA #20
    Control arm bushings = Moog K-5162. #19
    *Rear springs = Corvair rear, Volvo rear, Buick Special (Torino) #19
    Front shocks = Bilstein B46466 with special mounting base plate #18
    *Rear rubber spring pads = Mercedes (Torino) #18
    Spring damper shim pads (bottom of spring) = Peugeot 5164-0-7 #18
    Front control arm bushings = Fiat 1400 or 1800 #17
    *Rear suspension bushings = Alfa 2600 #102002530500 (Torino-Italia) #16
    Wheel studs = 1/4" x 20 right hand drive #16
    *Rear shocks = Gabrial 45533 #16
    Wheel bearings = Ford C0AZ 7526A front (Italia) #16
    *Wheel bearings = Ford C9Z W4009-E rear axle (Italia) #16
    Upper control arm = Fiat 1800 #4099151 right front (Italia) #16
    Upper control arm bushing = Fiat 4045093 (Italia) #16
    Front shocks = Monroe 1075, pole 74 (Torino) #12
    *Rear shocks = Bilstein B46-477 (Indra) #2
    Front shocks = '57 Vetta Gabrial adjustment set soft (Omega) #2
    Front shocks = Koni 80-1066. #2
    *Rear springs = Volvo 122S, MOOG 4334 #2
    Front wheel bearings = '62 Buick inner & outer (Torino) #2
    Wheels = '67 Ford stock steel will fit« #2
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    Disc brake pads = Girling 64 325750 D8 DON 55 FF 1269 (Torino) #22
    Front caliper cap & seal = Girling SP 2524 248. #22
    Power Brake Assist unit = Mazda Bendix 227-0-104(exact) (Omega) #22
    Rear caliper seal kit = Girling SP 2524 (Omega) #22
    Master cylinder (single one inch bore) = Girling 64066355 (Torino) #21
    Master cylinder repair kit = Girling SP 2490/2 (Italia) #21
    Brake & clutch pedal pads = BMW 2002 & 1600 #20
    Master cylinder = Ford Falcon #20
    Handbrake assembly = Fiat 850 (Torino) #18
    Steel brake lines = when fabricating be prepared to make convex as well as normal concave flare on ends. #18
    Single master cylinder servo unit = Girling MK2A #64049460 (Torino) #16
    Repair kit for above = Girling SP2228, Alfa 2600. #16
    Reservoir cap = Girling 64477756 #16
    Reservoir = Girling 6447S963 #16
    Brake pads = front Raybestos D82 /rear Pennsylvania D97 #16
    Vacuum booster = Girling 640-49-343 /late (Italia) #12
    Single master cylinder = Girling 64068355 #12
    Pads front = Girling 64325750 (Ferrari), Mintex M33, Volvo 1800S, Alfa 2600, Aston-Martin #2
    Pads rear = Girling 64325738. #2
    Pads parking = 64932005 #2
    Calipers front = Girling 64032818 - LP19LP-16/3, Volvo 122S #16/3-SP2510/1 (Torino) #2
    Calipers rear = Girling 64032734 - 5YN - 12/3H, Volvo 122S #12/3 - SP2542, AC Cobra, Fiat 2300 #2
    Master cylinder (double) = Girling 640-688-22, kit 2490, Triumph TR5, TR250, TR6. #2
    Pressure warning device = Girling Triumph #2
    Brake hose = Pirelli, Fiat 2300 #2
    Discs = Intermeccanica unique #2
    Boosters = Girling IL 427 (Torino) #2
    Boosters = Girling 64049126, kit SP 2228 (Italia?) #2
    Pedal pads = Volvo 140 #2
     
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  18. Mantam8b

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    Hello I just what we believe to be The number 4 Omega it’s missing a few pieces and I was wondering if anyone could help me out with what came from what ?
    Thanks in advance
     
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    Yesterday I was lucky enough to bring home the first Griffith. #600601E has been basically hidden away with my friend Mike since 1972. If any of you have knowledge of this car please share it! Mike lived very near me all of my life and I had only seen the car in 1983 despite being friends and spending time together, it was only last month I was able to get in and see it again before making the purchase.

     
  20. Mantam8b

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    It’s always nice to buy new toys . Did you have any pictures? I have the number 4 Omega which I am starting restoration on soon .
     
  21. redfred84

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    May we see photos of these cars please? By Omega, do you refer to the closed car, or one of the eleven open top cars?
     
  22. Mantam8b

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    All of the Omega,‘s were coupes they did not have an open top Omega,, and there were only 33 built. It was 289 high output powered except for the first few, which is mine which just has a regular 289 in it
     
  23. redfred84

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    Actually there were 11 convertibles produced with the name "Omega"; they ran Buick V8s. It gets very confusing with the limited history of these cars, and the sharing of names like Torino, etc... But rest assured, there were 11 Omegas built topless. One won it's class last year at Pebble Beach, entered by the owner of the Green Bay Packers. I can try and dig ups some pics soon.
     

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