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  1. miurasv

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    March Air Force Base. Orange Empire Sports Car Races. November 1954.

    See video in link here after about 3'10".
     
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  2. TTR

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    Thanks.
    So essentially in Riverside, just couple of miles south from where RIR was eventually constructed few years later.
    I thought those hills in the back ground looked familiar along with their location in respect to direction of sunlight angle and shadows it creates (i.e time of day. etc).
     
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  4. bs76

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    Hello,
    I'm very late in this topic, but this picture was taken at the airport race Mainz-Finthen, 11. July 1965, and shows
    the 250 GT SWB of Karl-Heinz-Lingen, race nr.3 (S/N 2179GT). He finished 3. in class, behind Albert Pfuhl in another
    SWB (S/N 2001GT) and the winner Werner Lindermann with a 250 GTO (S/N 4115GT).

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  5. Ferrari_250tdf

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    Here are two pictures of "Werner Lindermann" alias Wilhelm Werner Prinz zu Sayn-Wittgenstein in his #4115 GT during this race in Mainz Finthen. Another interesting sidenote to this race is that the racing doctor was Dr. Hans Hardt who later owned the GTO #3809 GT.


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  7. 375+

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    Notice the wire coat hanger rollbar, the steering column--no protection. It was an incredibly dangerous era, you would be safer racing a motorcycle.
     
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  8. F1tommy

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    Very nice pictures!!

    Funny thing is other than the driving suit motorcycles have not gotten much safer to race for the driver. That and rally with no safety guard rails and crowds unprotected, both FIA series that time left behind. Then FIA mandates "halo" for F1...FIA seem to have a double standard.
     
  9. Schlesser

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    Does anybody know the chassis numbers of the pictured cars, especially the TR in the foreground? Kerrison's Drogo SWB at Neri e Bonacini in Via Niccolo Biondo 212. Possibly 1962?
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    #11187 miurasv, Sep 29, 2020
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    The 250 GTO next to the TR is an earlyish one with cabin air vents in the sail panels but not so early as it has the round brake cooling ducts, not the upright oval ducts in the nose and could very well be #3607GT by the way the side lights were semi recessed into the side of the nose after an accident in 1962, but after another accident in 1965 the side lights were then fully recessed into the side of the nose, like a '64 GTO which would make the pic 1965 or after.
     
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    #11188 miurasv, Sep 29, 2020
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    Drogo rebodied 2 250 Testa Rossas, 0716TR and 0738TR into 250 GTO like coupe bodies around the mid '60s. 0738TR, originally a pontoon bodied '58 TR is said to have had the front converted to a TR59 shape around 1960, and if so that would rule 0738TR out as the TR in the pic has a pontoon body, so 0716TR is a possibility.
     
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  12. Marcel Massini

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    I agree with miurasv (post #11188), that 250 TR must be 0716 TR.
    Compare with this photo.

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  13. SmokyDave

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    Looks like the Scuderia Serennisima flag on the TR and the GTO.
     
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  15. SmokyDave

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    I've found another image that looks to have been taken at the same time here (Getty Images). It seems to have been taken in November 1963, if that helps.
     
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  16. lgs

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    Wrong, plain Italian Venice flag on the GTO and TR, and posted picture is no Scuderia but Serenissima Automobili S.r.l. label (1967-70)
     
  17. Marcel Massini

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    Says a Serenissima owner of Zurich. Thanks Mr. S.

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  18. Ed Niles

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    When I first met Meade ('66?) he had a complete 250TR body hanging on the wall of his garage, in 2 pieces. I've always wondered if that was the original for 0716TR?
     
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