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Why are Mercedes so successful?

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  1. Toto Wolff

    36.9%
  2. Lewis Hamilton

    24.6%
  3. They spend more than the others

    43.1%
  4. Their cheats go unpunished

    27.7%
  5. They don’t work from Italy

    15.4%
  6. Not so much pressure on them winning

    3.1%
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  1. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I don't even know why you keep repeating the same diatribes over and over.

    I cannot be bothered reading them any more

    You never bring any new argument to explain why your team cannot compete, but conspiracy theories.

    I am through with this ...
     
  2. TonyL

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    Its not my gun fight and i tend to like your posts, they are well constructed and thought out. I dont always agree but thats part of being on a forum and listening to other points of view. We all get a different angle on a debate.

    Simply put, If Usain Bolt is [has been] given a 100m head start and the competing athletes legs are tied together, then i doubt many would bet against UB winning. Now to level the playing field, scrap the stupid handicap, let teams develop and then see who comes out on top. My guess is the bag will be mixed up far more than it is today. Having said that, even if they do scrap the rules with immediate effect, UB was last seen galloping over the horizon.

    Credit must go to Honda for making the most progress since the Hybrid era, they started late and have a powerful package which RB are putting to good use.

    Best
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  3. chipbiii

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    Waaay too much conformity mechanically. Can you even imagine a six wheel Tyrrell or innovations like Jim Hall introduced with all those amazing Chaparrals? Formula 1 is a sad shadow of what it used to be. Allow more damn diversity and creativity.
     
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  4. jpalmito

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    Ok we get it .
    So what kind of arguments would please you ?
    I suspect some racialist theories in the end because all the others explanations are just complotism for your taste.
     
  5. Mitch Alsup

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    a) Ferrari did this to themselves, and now has a long ditch to crawl out of.
    b) Ferrari management lead to this
    c) Ferrari designers lead to this
    d)....
     
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  6. jpalmito

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    d) hara-kiri

    Ferrari failures are part of the story but not the whole story.
     
  7. Mitch Alsup

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    Hari Kari -- ハリカリ
     
  8. Frank_C

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    #83 Frank_C, Aug 17, 2020
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    I call BS on that. They are far outspending their rivals. MB has a well documented track record of bribery and a culture of said nefarious business practice. Hiding money is most likely a hiring requirement.

    Do you think Pirelli hasn't given MB $$$$$ tire data? They make millions of cars a year compared to ten thousand Ferraris.....

    Again, notwithstanding the known rubber stamped (bought) engine formula and accompanying neutering regulations, they are just throwing gobs of money both known and (1.5-2x?) hidden at their team. There is a correlation why their once bullet proof road cars suck now.

    Money going elsewhere....
     
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  9. jpalmito

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    I was joking about the volunteers.
    Again Ferrari Mclaren Honda Renault Red Bull are destroyed for years by this team.
    The only explanation is a Huge différence in spending.
    Period
     
  10. jpalmito

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    A little bit condescending, isn't it ?
     
  11. jpalmito

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    The W11 is a so beautiful piece of machinery.
    Everything on this car looks sublime.
    Ready to go to a museum.
    Every time I see Bottas driving this car I said to myself
    " cela revient à donner de la confiture a des cochons "
    " it's like giving pigs jam "
     
  12. Frank_C

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    Oh I think you are more on point than you think- “Valtteri you are heating up your tires too much in turn 3.” “You are losing out in corner exit of turn 6.” And on the flip side - “Tell me what I need to do.....” Etc, etc, etc

    Do you think Williams has the budget errr volunteers to do this?

    After having bought a formula and accompanying rule change they just keep throwing more and more money at this video game. It is the volunteers and the computers and software in the trailers behind the garage and back in the factory who are really driving the cars, not the “autobots” they have strapped in.

    A real champion says “leave me alone I know what I’m doing” and “I don’t care what they’re doing....” NOT “tell me what to do....”





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  13. Mitch Alsup

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    I was only trying to get the proper words and spellings into context.

    If that is condescending, then all English teachers are condescending.
     
  14. jpalmito

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    Ok , so you are gonna be able to explain me the deep meaning of your message ?
     
  15. cairns

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    I feel the same way. A shame there are so many fair weather Ferrari fans on here who can only denigrate. Keep up the good work.
     
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  16. Mitch Alsup

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    There is no deep meaning.

    The words are "Hari Kari" not "hara kiri"
     
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  17. jpalmito

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    it seems you are a picky linguist. i didn't mean to offend you..
    In the end i still do not understand the meaning of your intervention and remains on my first impression.
     
  18. TurboFreak650

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    The Germans have a long history of becoming so dominant, their cars/teams must be banned/given a nudge toward the door for the good of the motorsport. The 917, 935, 956/962 and apparently unbeatable Audi R series at Le Mans for a 13 year period before they got bored, and then Porsche's 919 comeback are prime examples. :eek:

    There was once a great, practically unstoppable German driver at Ferrari during a better era also....
     
  19. william

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    Eliminating the winners to give the losers a chance to shine is the best way to damage motorsport.
     
  20. jgonzalesm6

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    Okay, but what does Porsche & Audi's reigning history in LeMans have to do with F1.

    The Mercedes F1 W11(2020) and past variants are built in Brackley with help from Brixworth in Great Britain. Wolff, team principle, is from Austria, not Germany.

    All these British employees under the AMG Petronas F1 team get paid by Mercedes.

    BTW, AMG Mercedes bought out BRAWNGP F1 whom won 1 season in 2009 which was the foundation of what we are currently witnessing....along with some ex-Ferrari employees during this turbo hybrid era.
     
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  21. TurboFreak650

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    Germanic drive to engineer everything to the nth degree and dominate the series. They've done it at Le Mans/umpteen sports car series again and again, Can-Am and F1. It's a crystal clear trend since the '60s. I know where Toto is from. Does Austrian culture have any ties to Germany? :rolleyes:

    Oh, and it's Principal. ;)
     
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  22. TurboFreak650

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    I think the Powers That Be make changes behind the scene from time to time to shake things up. For example, Ferrari was probably told they were "winning too much" at the end of the Schumacher era and that fresh blood would be good for the sport. I'd like for someone to tell Mercedes the same. F1 dominated by one team for 5+ years is stale.....
     
  23. jpalmito

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    You have a real fascination for the dominant power, don’t you?
    I’ve always been interested in losers like Minardi. Another relationship to the Human perhaps
     
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  24. ricksb

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    they used tire design back then to thwart Ferrari’s dominance. Michelin was able to produce a radical tire that completely smashed he Bridgestones that we’re designed in partnership with Maranello.

    I still don’t know if Bridgestone was caught sleeping or if Max & Bernie were working behind the scenes to spice things up
     

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