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Discussion in 'F12/812' started by Frenzisko, Feb 10, 2018.

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  1. of2worlds

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    I disagree. Without saying too much there are a number of factors that are considered before a price is set.
     
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  2. cesman

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    We shall see. It is clear in the last 5 years or so Ferrari took a lead out of Porsche’s book to raise volume and prices to effectively squeeze secondary market premium on new cars


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  3. George330

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    Sure but how did it work for Porsche? It has killed secondary market prices and driven away people who love cars with a bit of exclusivity. Doesn’t matter for Porsche as they make their money from Macans and Boxsters but Ferrari is a different type of brand. The person who aspires to owning the ultimate car dream doesn’t expect to see 50 of them listed as new cars in the classifieds at or below MSRP. He/she also doesn’t expect to participate in a lottery in order to buy a Speedster as they do over here to avoid upsetting the dozens of clients that believe they deserve one



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  4. uhn2000

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    I don't know a lot about Porsche but it seems the ones that popped on arrival like GT2RS etc. and even the Speedster are all trading at MSRP now. I find in the Porsche world with so much volume the 2nd market really panics quickly and prices tend to buckle faster after they pop. Anyhow I think the 812VS will be a mega car with a mega price-tag, Ferrari might leave a few bucks on the table but that will be by sheer luck versus market dynamics. I even got my build sheet for the GTS today and its up there!
     
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  5. Frank_C

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    No. You pay them to leave!


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  6. Shack

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    Part of the fun (game) is trying to get the allocation and working with your dealer to "persuade" Ferrari you deserve one.
     
  7. cesman

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    I’m not saying I like this George330 - but seems to have worked out very well financially for Porsche as a company. Ferrari is now a different animal as a public company...


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  8. mepassione

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    10/15% more than the GTS is about I think 30/40% more than the Superfast I believe the GTS is about £50k more than the SF. So that means about £100k more than the SF. This is my guess on pricing if its limited not numbered if numbered yes you could be looking at maybe a further £50k or more on top.
     
  9. day355

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    #2384 day355, Aug 28, 2020
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    It s the end of the game with the VS... ( exept Icona & LF replacement )
    Few people ll play it with future heavy and silent hybrids cars !
    They re terrified of it :D
    They need to employ the best marketing guys in the world:(
     
  10. jpalmito

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    You mean SF replacement ?
     
  11. 9nb

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    Unfortunately people will buy those hybrids so they get into Ferrari’s good graces in the hope of getting the Iconas and LF replacement.
     
  12. day355

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    No, i mean LB range !
     
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  13. Shack

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    1000% agree - as soon as EV/Hybrid is all u can get no more chasing to get an allocation
     
  14. day355

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    #2389 day355, Aug 28, 2020
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    [QUOTE = "9nb, post: 147414640, member: 122483"] LF replacement . [/ QUOTE]

    Not so many people at 2 millions $
    They need to sell 20 000 F 171 on the whole cycle
     
  15. mepassione

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    So you may as well save your money and buy a used F12/tdf/599gto/812 and enjoy
     
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  16. 9nb

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    That’s true, perhaps their intentions are to capitalize on the name Ferrari and the tech associated with these hybrids. I’d hate to have one when the battery is kaput.
     
  17. day355

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    Absolutly :) !!!
     
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  18. jpalmito

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    You don't understand what I said.
    You said icona and sf replacement not Lf replacement ?
     
  19. day355

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    I m saying Icona and LF replacement ll always have more demand and still the allocation game.
    Not in the other range .
    SF replacement is a good project,
     
  20. jpalmito

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    ok thanks
     
  21. day355

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    For me they made a mistake with LB,they should have made it lighter and less powerful without hybrid...have a look to Maserati MC 20 next wednesday, it s the right way
     
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  22. 9nb

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    Looking forward to that car and I hope it marks a great return for Maserati.
     
  23. of2worlds

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    It seems only icons and limited editions are still PURE Ferrari and LB and others of that type are compromised in the worst ways; heavy and overly complicated!!!
     
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  24. uhn2000

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    After my F8 spider test drive I was thinking to myself that maybe I would have enjoyed the car to just be silent half the time because at some points it just sounded way too muzzled. The future of emissions and sound regulations is coming and we must adjust our driving expectations to match (if you want the new stuff).
     
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  25. Caeruleus11

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    The issue is volume. When you are selling 799 over a time frame it is very different than trying to sell 1 at a specific moment. So the secondary market is a tricky thing to solely use as a gauge of pricing. Certainly it is clear their new strategy to take more of the froth out of the market. And we are now in new economic times and that has to be considered as well. I have no idea what they will do, but I don't think they can price this too highly if they are going to do TDF or greater volume.
     
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