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  1. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Yes and no.
    Racing Point is slightly ahead of Ferrari right now.
    But Ferrari has more long term potential in years to come.
     
  2. Ferrari 360 CS

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    Very hard to see based on the horrific car they have managed to build this year, in fact this looks like the 1980 season all over again.
     
  3. DeSoto

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    Well, two years later they won the constructors championship.

    The long term success of Aston Martin depends on what plans Mercedes has for its own team. Their own capacity is also unknown, as right now they´re running a cloned car. Aston Martin is a big gamble, maybe even bigger than McLaren or Renault.
     
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  4. william

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    "Long term" is the clue.

    It may be in 2 years, or in 5, or in 10, but Ferrari will be back in the winning circles at some point in future.
     
  5. Ferrari 360 CS

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    True but the fact they are allowed to run that car makes a mockery of F1 in my opinion. The look at the finances of AM and its difficult to believe there is much spare care to put into F1. McLaren is a similar gamble.

    One thing is for sure, wherever Seb lands up it will be interesting to see how he performs because its hard to believe thing could go any worse for him.
     
  6. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    He wasn't bad when he came to Ferrari. Thats why they hired him. I think the Singapore 2015 pole was one of the best performance I've seen. He only started declining when Shaarl came on board
     
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  7. william

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    Leclerc wasn't at Ferrari in 2017 and 2018, and it's the period Vettel started to go bad; he simply lost 2 championships.
    But he was comfortable with Kimi not challenging him, and the management still supporting him.
     
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  8. Etcetera

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    Vettel has always been overrated. Many people said his championships are Newey's. It was said back when he was winning for them. Guess who is right now? Outside of Webber, SV has gotten his ass handed to him by all his team mates.
     
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  9. Mitch Alsup

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    The chassis spec and the engine spec remains constant*, and DF is being lost on the undertray. (*) where constant is that you must actually run 2020 spec chassis engines, transmissions in 2021.

    2022 and beyond is a different story, 2021 is a replay of 2020 technology on (hopefully) different race tracks, and hopefully better tires.
     
  10. pilotoCS

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    I've read a few things on other F1 chat sites that suggest that either the team is sabotaging Seb or Seb is sabotaging the "driving" so to speak. I say bollocks to both. What would that gain for either?
     
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  11. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    He was a touch slower last year and the car is compromised both aero and power. Charles has a bit of a different style and is not as mentally un-settled as Vettel. Seb needs to get better or move on.
     
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  12. Mitch Alsup

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    In my estimation, Charles is delivering more than is "in" the car at the moment.
    Vettel is simply not delivering at all.

    At this point, why not let Vettle go right now, and try a reserve/substitute driver in that seat. You are likely to get more points by the end of the season.
     
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  13. pilotoCS

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    There is precedent for that. Prost in 1991, also a multi World Champion, was released before the season was over.
     
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  14. Hocakes

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    Paging Dr. Alonso. Paging Dr. Alonso.
     
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  15. DF1

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    2019 as well. The press and team began to turn away rather quickly. The attempts to restrain Charles, the faster driver failed and only made Vettel look worse overall. His time at Ferrari has been overall, a failure. His reputation was on display with the self induced spin - error today. He knows his reputation has been damaged. No top 3 team will give him a seat. None. He has an offer from a Clone running mid field team that favors the owners son. Perez stated he knows what seat is open. Someone posted today its over for Vettel. I fully agree. This mess needs to be swept up now.
     
  16. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    If he does end up in the Pink Merc ,how long before '' Seb ,this is Lawrence, Lance is faster than you ''

    Vettel throws another multi 21 , papa Stroll fires him on the spot lol.
     
  17. tifosi12

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    Vettel is now about as bad as MS was in his last Merc year. Way past his use-by date. He should do himself a favor and quit before he totally destroys his legacy.

    I cannot imagine any team would sign him for 2021.
     
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  18. spirot

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    I think Vettel is pretty much done... I could see him going to AM next year... but doubt that he'll do much. I think he needs to retire re charge and race in Sports Cars...

    He just seems to have given up, He's a "nice guy" and I think Ferrari have simply worn him down .... he needs to feel the love around him... and that is not Ferrari.... it has really never been until Schumacher - and he was surrounded by his guys...
     
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  19. 375+

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    I say bollocks to the duff kit theory.
     
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  20. pilotoCS

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    That feeling of intense determination started at the top with Montezemolo. He was/is the second most important leader in Ferrari history behind only Enzo himself.
     
  21. spirot

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    I agree with you. He also is the one who started Ferrari on the decline with the "Sempre Italia" approach.... the all Italian team was stupid and Arrogant. LDM became his own worst enemy.
     
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  22. paulchua

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    Very hard to watch for sure. I don't want bad on him, but this last race took away much of Vettel's dignity. I don't want to witness the breakdown of anyone.
     
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  23. tifosi12

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    Couldn't agree more. I used to be a big Vettel fan. Still like him for the most part (Baku not included). So it is hard to watch his self destruction and decline. He should just quit. Right now.
     
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  24. paulchua

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    I think for him to perform his 'best', he needs to be the #1 driver. When Ferrari put Leclerc as the #1, that was it, and no recovering. When he says he needs the support of the team, that's what I gather. I don't wish him any ill, but the current situation is just going from bad to worse!
     
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  25. tifosi12

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    Very possible.

    It is amazing to see how Leclerc wrangles that turd to the podium again and again. Whereas Seb sells the Ferrari for under value. The two drivers couldn't be any further apart in their performance.

    What Leclerc did on Sunday was every bit as good as what Max did. Just not the same payoff.
     
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