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  1. garrobitto

    garrobitto Karting

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    So... finally happened, Binotto is not anymore the technical responsible for Ferrari, just the... hummm..... administrative leader?? that is really a tittle?? seems to me (like I say before) it's a step down before exit =====>. Binotto is in the same position as Anthony Fauci... they're not gonna abandon the boat yet but as soon as possible they will be out with a bitter remembering. They're, literally, dead walking people...
     
  2. DeSoto

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    He's team principal, that's still a lot. Ferrari was the only team where the team principal and the technical director were the same person. I thought that it was a provisional solution after the rushed departure of Arrivabene, I'm surprised that Binotto held the two titles for so long.

    I suppose that with the horizontal organization they had, the workload of the technical director was distributed between the different bosses so he thought there was no need to name a different person for that. But it didn't work.
     
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  3. crinoid

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  4. John_K_348

    John_K_348 F1 Rookie

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    You know, I think SF made a series of errors that got us here. First, chasing out LdM was a bit harsh. The Lawyer had many championships to his credit despite his tantrums in the pit lane when the hybrid era began. Then Sweater changed the style to many peoples disgust. I must admit though, his work for the Alfa Giulia Quad was fantastic and I miss him for that alone. Before his passing, letting J. Allison go after his wife died was a bit cold, but it may have been mutual. I'm not sure. And now we see him on the MB team kicking butt. Arrivebene getting sacked in favor of Binotto should have been good from a tech perspective, and I think it was, but somehow they allowed a tech cheat to go though...and at a deep level... that now the car is hamstrung because of the ban. Technically it made power, politically and rules wise it was a serious error. Sporting director will help for the management but the MGU is still screwed. I am almost positive that the decision to let Vettel go was based ENTIRELY on financials despite what SF says. It makes perfect sense given the COVID pandemic, impact on Italy, and now the engine ban and 2 cheap drivers going forward. If Vettel gets the Racing Point seat and kicks butt, it will be another banner year for SF like in the turbo era, and when Prost criticized the car. Lauda did too before turbos but he backed it up with lap times. Man do I miss Lauda and I pray he has a few blessings for the Red team as well as his late Silver (Black) Arrows. Oh.. and TESTING please for God's Sake! :D
     
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  5. Etcetera

    Etcetera Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Getting rid of LdM was a good choice. This is the guy who drove off Schumacher, Brawn, and Todt. How was getting rid of MA good on a technical level? Under him, Ferrari produced the first WCC/WDC capable car in a long time. Binotto is out of his depth. Pitwall is still screwing things up left and right. Those people should have gotten the boot a long time ago.

    Under Binotto, the team went from being capable of bagging #1, and this year they will finish 5th.
     
  6. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    P12 ...oh P10 with the retirements sorry .....wtf
     
  7. 635CSI

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    The car is crap, the engine is crap, but I still think Binotto will build a winning team around Charles.
    They have a good relationship, if you disagree ask Seb?
     
  8. Top speed

    Top speed Formula Junior

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    Binotto will be TP at least until the end of 2022. The higher ups are backing him and will make their decision after the first season of the new regulations. If Ferrari is far off from the top still in 2022, I can see them thinking of replacing him.
     
  9. ingegnere

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    Well he took the step of not renewing Vettel, which was long overdue. Hopefully he’ll improve the technical organization. I think this year’s lack of performance was a perfect storm of the engine directives and a premature lock-down in Italy followed by the imposed lock-down. But mostly he doesn’t come across as an arrogant a** like Arrivabene.
     
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  10. Mitch Alsup

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    LdM got rid of MS 1-2 years too soon, and the result was that Brawn and Todt also left.
    It is still debatable whether LdM let go of Alonso too early, but the engine was crap, and it would be several season before the engine was proper once again. Alonso knew this and did not want to eat crow for another 2 years.
    Binoto did not get rid of Vettel soon enough.
     
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  11. John_K_348

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    Ah, I see 2 things about MA I can agree with. On one hand his marketing experience was good for team management and getting people to work together, with all their emotions and psychology, blah blah blah. You know the big business stuff. But on the other hand, the big business stuff (tobacco in particular) may have contributed to his @$$ like persona and upset people the other direction. But still the engine cheat was just dumb.

    One thing I'm curious about is SF using the Gurney flap and MB not, even though MB came from a position of power MGU wise. SF designed the rear wings with the engine cheat baked in. Now it's a hindrance.
     
  12. TonyL

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    Additionally there are a [very] limited amount of top technical engineers available to SF to employ / poach, thats why the merc team is functioning at its best. Strip away the experienced engineers / designers as SF did some years ago and you are relying on upcoming people with little knowledge / understanding on the current trend / needs in F1. You can organise all you like and be super efficient but you will still struggle with innovation.

    Merc team builds from within so anyone that leaves is not missed and the show [dominance] goes on.

    Best

    Tony
     
  13. Remy Zero

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    Somewhere in a beautiful villa, Arri is just chilling and having a laugh at the Scuderia's situation
     
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  14. jpalmito

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    Agree firing binotto would be dramatic.
    Camilleri should take his responsibilities and involved himselves much more into the scuderia.
    Binotto needs support and human investment.
     
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  15. jpalmito

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    I don't think so.
    A real tifoso could not be happy with that.
    By the way he perfectly knows he wouldn't have done any better than Binotto
     
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    #142 Frank_C, Aug 17, 2020
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    I agree with the articles. The clown needs to go. As pointed out, irrespective of the final outcome, it is the design “concepts” of this (SF 1000) and the previous iterations that were wrong and that is ultimately the responsibility of the clown.

    High rake, low drag/low downforce then high drag low downforce (uh that’s smart)........concepts just didn’t work.

    And the PR mess with his mishandling of Vettel. What an idiot-cretino! It is bad enough the rest of the world sees him as the fool he is but now he has drug Ferrari down to his level.

    The bozo era is amongst the worse Ferrari has ever seen. It is a shame Marko doesn’t have anyone’s ear at Ferrari- a little Red Bull swap would go a long way- Vasseur is on contract, and well respected in the paddock. What little respect he had is now gone as his visage reflects the clown he truly is. In his case you can judge a book by its cover.


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  18. DeSoto

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    Well, Forghieri didn´t say that Binotto has to go, quite the opposite, he thinks that it´s better to keep the current crew and bring some reinforcements.

    Althoguh I disagree with the part about Vettel: he had to go. Some said back in the day that they should have kept Raikkonen too, but after seeing what Leclerc is doing, I don´t think nobody is complaining about that anymore.
     
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  19. william

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    Constant bloodletting and management change will utterly destroy any organisation.
    Ferrari has already suffered a lot from witch-hunting in the last 5-6 years.
     
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  20. Sig. Roma

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    Just had a comment from a distant cousin in Serramazzoni. Last winter, one of the Ferrari "engineers" rode his bike in the nude, and my cousin thinks that if this the kind of people influencing the design, no wonder the car is less than good.
     
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  21. jpalmito

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    Do they really have a plan to improve long term ?
    I have some doubts ..
     
  22. Bas

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    After his comments RE Vettel this week, and his horrible cars....I can't see much reason for him staying anymore.
     
  23. 635CSI

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    #148 635CSI, Aug 18, 2020
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    We all have doubts.
    They battle with our hopes.
    Thus is the fate of those who support once great but now mediocre sports teams.

    I am sure they have a plan, I am starting to doubt that it is an adequate plan.
    If the engine freeze is aS ‘set in stone’ as we believe , were aren’t going to win for 2 years.
    Maybe now is the time for reorganisation?

    At the moment, after Spain, I’m honestly not sure.
     
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  24. jpalmito

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    Aldo Costa firing was a disaster.
     
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  25. Sig. Roma

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    Back in the days when Ferrari was run by Montezemolo and Domenicali. Dumbest moves Montezemolo made to "italianize" the team.
     
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