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Discussion in 'Creative Arts' started by jm2, Oct 19, 2012.

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  1. Jeff Kennedy

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    I have a fear that the photos are not showing off just how much plan view/coke bottle effect there is in the body. That may make the design look a lot better. As it stands, just from the photos, I find the much of the design a combination of too generic with some aspects of trying to evoke the original Iso too ham handed. As for the tail, I find that they could have added a bit more character into it. We regularly complain of overworked designs but this one may be sufferings from being underworked; not finessed enough.
     
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  2. 330 4HL

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    Hmmm...It's a pleasant enough design but there have been quite a few better (& many worse) Corvette re-bodies over the years.
    This is I imagine intended to be an "homage" to the original Grifo not the A3C as I would expect that to have a much more radical approach, whereas this car looks to follow the Grifo in being a fairly conservative road going GT. As such, this iteration is neither. It adopts many of the A3C design cues, but lacks the "edginess" required to carry it off. Also, rear looks to be very much like C7, tail lights and all.
    For the kind of money I expect they want for this, I'd prefer to "settle" for an original, and spend the spare cash on a new garage...
     
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    If they had gotten the 30's they could have saved all that money they wasted on tires.:)
     
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  5. ingegnere

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    Literally rim protectors.

    Must be that size to clear the brakes. Oh, wait...
     
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  6. NeuroBeaker

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    That is the only new supercar on the market that I actually really pine over.

    Every bit of that is exquisitely wonderful.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
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    Well, at least the wheels aren't black! :D
     
  8. ingegnere

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    The wheels are actually nice. Simple and of unusually good taste for someone who finds these silly tire sizes tasteful.
     
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  9. ingegnere

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    LOL, was just thinking—looks like something a car designer would draw ;)
     
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  10. jm2

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    OK, guilty as charged.
    Over 45 yrs ago I used to draw my cars with big wheels. However, there is a limit.
    It’s all about proportion.
     
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  13. jm2

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    Funny I was just texting my peeps, and we agreed that there were several themes on the rear. :eek:
     
  14. ingegnere

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    Very nice! Year?

    Loving the depth of the red. Is that only markers or other media too?
     
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    Thank you!
    1983-1984 Cadillac Allante' proposal.
    Old school markers & chalk.
    Most of the work i managed to save is fading over time. Those markers weren't as 'permanent' as we might have thought.
     
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    Remind us again about the story of you coming up with a design that would mimic the Pininfarina effort without seeing their design before hand?
     
  17. jm2

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    Yea, one day we were all sitting around contemplating what the Pininfarina design was going to look like since they wouldn’t show it to the Cadillac Studio. I’m proud to say I pretty much nailed it. Didn’t matter though as we were shut out of that program. I did so many sketches for that proget thinking we might have a shot. No way. Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
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    Wow very clean, makes the Pininfarina effort look a tad clumsy and without elegance!
     
  19. jm2

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    I believed the Pininfarina design was good, but thought it lacked Cadillac 'character'. No one bothered to look at our proposals, since the decision had already been made to use Pininfarina. In the end it didn't really matter, the air-bridge from Italy and poor quality sealed the Allante's fate.
    I did manage to get Sergio to sign my Pininfarina book, and talked one of the Farina guys into giving me his Pininfarina coveralls, so all was not a total loss!
     
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  20. ingegnere

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    Was going to say in response to the sketch of the red car: was the kink at the DLO rear quarter a design hard-point, because it’s just like the Pininfarina design!
     
  21. ingegnere

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    In Pininfarina: The Anniversary Book by Antoine Prunet, Giugiaro is quoted as saying something to the effect of that the Allante was not truly representative of Pininfarina because they tried too hard to either satisfy some Cadillac requirements or tried too hard to make it look like a Cadillac. I think you see this in the fussy swagging detail along the belt line and the fussy lights and their trim.
     
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    No, but it was something to accommodate the folding top mechanism.
     
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    Ha!!
    I would love to have that conversation with Messrs. Giugiaro & Pininfarina. Certainly Pininfarina set out to please the client, Cadillac. But in my opinion, they didn't have enough Cadillac in the design. But you have to understand the politics at the time. Cadillac Division wanted to have a 'name' design the car, and they didn't want all the 'old cliche's'. They didn't want the Cadillac Studio involved. And that was what Pininfarina gave them. A very well executed design, without all the 'old' Cadillac cues, i.e. vertical taillights, etc.
    With all due respect to Mr. Giugiaro, the end product really didn't look much like a Cadillac, but that was the plan all along. Pininfarina delivered exactly what the client asked for.
     
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  25. ingegnere

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    Those look great but would GM actually build it just like that? Not sure. There are many fantastic designs from GM designers that never made it out of the studio unfortunately.
     
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