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  1. RichardCH

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    I have Capristo and love them
     
  2. Eric C

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    Fabspeed is the best.
     
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    I'm sorry, but so many people claim their exhaust mods make their car "sound like an F1 car", but I never hear it. Makes me wonder if they've ever heard an actual F1 car, or if they're referring to something that predates that last three decades of F1?
     
  4. Fabspeed Motorsport

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    There are a few cars with our full exhaust package, some claim that it does indeed sound like an F1 vehicle but that's "in the ears of the beholder" as they may say.

    SummitLife out in Park City Utah have a good video on the F430 with revs/drivebys as well as JR Garage who were at our shop getting the exhaust built and installed.

    Different sound perspectives on both!
     
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  5. VAF84

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    Hadn’t planned on buying Fabspeed headers when I purchased my F430, but glad I did. Very happy with the sound. I have no other aftermarket parts, just have the vacuum hoses disconnected to keep the valves open.
     
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  6. E60 M5

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    Always been a fan of the Kriessiegg sound, I have no personal experience with them, I have Tubi.
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  7. SRLC716

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    I have Fabspeed headers and absolutely love the sound and performance.


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    No system compares to a NA f1 engine....V12/v10/v8 .
    But to get a similar sound you need to run straight pipes. ......and I don't mean high flow cats or x pipe mufflers. I mean straight exhaust flow from the headers to the exit without any restriction. The term "straight pipe" by idiot youtubers are misused. NO high flow cats, no x-pipe configurations....etc. Most people can't tolerate the loud, consistent volume.

    The best sounding high pitch sound going through a X configuration is the S-line. This is the only option with the S-line. It has no valves..... It sounds great. I have some dislikes about it but I almost went with it.

    I have the Kline system. The Kline is similar to the S-line if you don't run a primary and secondary cats. It's because it does not run through the X configuration but bypasses it through the valves by opening and closing. So it will have the closest "straight pipe" configuration but does have restrictions when the flow is re-routed to another bigger open pipe so I wouldn't even call this a straight pipe set up. When the Kline runs through the X pipe ...it is really quiet...unlike the S-line.

    I can only compare these two because I haven't had any experiences with the others. From what I've heard the Capristo and the Fabspeed exhaust has more of a deep tone. The IPE and Kreissieg sound great as well.

    I'm sure freshmeat will be in here soon to give his $0.2 about the S-line .
     
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    Perhaps we should list ALL of the headers available for the F430.
     
  10. Metastable

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    I have AP headers and stock exhaust.... sounds quiet with the valves closed, but more throaty with the valves open. I assume the Fabspeed would be similar. Way easier to install than the Capristo... unless they changed their design.
     
  11. ShineKen

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    Capristo is a pain in the ass to install.
     
  12. ShineKen

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    4-1 design list:

    Agency Power
    Fabspeed
    Topspeed
    Supersprint
    Kline
    Kreissieg
    Brilliant
    Powercraft
    Nouvalari

    4-2-1 design:

    Capristo
    Tubi

    Not sure:

    Larini
     
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  13. freshmeat

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    #13 freshmeat, Jul 14, 2020
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    For headers the 4-1 config will deliver a higher pitched shrill than a 4-2-1. Kline is a 4-2-1 from what I recall on my SS purchase, unless they now have a 4-1 option?

    Also worth noting is the material. Different grades and types of metal have different resonance, and overall SS offers a higher pitched note while inconel delivers a deeper note in comparison. As discussed in other threads, different ppl prefer different pitches/notes and so choose accordingly ie high pitched 4-1 SS, muscle car deep 4-2-1 inconel.

    Either configs will deliver a comparable increase in decibel volume ie one isn’t louder than the other.

    I have not tried Nouvalari, Brilliant, Agency Power, Topspeed or Supersprint headers on the Scuderia, but the rest I have and can unequivocally say Kreissieg (race option) and Powercraft 4-1 SS headers will deliver the highest pitched note of the bunch with all other things being equal ie cats and xpipe are constant.

    Another note worth mentioning is I primarily chased sound not performance, so cannot say which will give you the most performance. I only dyno’d my full Capristo and Kreissieg setup, gains were similar throughout the rev band.

    IPE should also be added to the 4-1 list.

    Also, because the base F430 has 4 exhaust exits, the sound will be different than the 2 trumpets on a Scuderia. F430 is actually slightly louder and a throatier.

    Sline does NOT make headers that I’m aware of...so not sure what flea7 is on about.

    In pursuit of comparing sounds, the best way to compare is really with iPhone videos because everyone has an iPhone and so you know there is less likely a variance in recording setup / post editing manipulation ie apples to apples comparison.
     
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    #14 mwstewart, Jul 14, 2020
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    I have Capristo (4-2-1) manifolds and cats on my current car but I much prefer the sound and power delivery of the Top Speed 4-1 on my previous car. The Capristo setup has a lower, quieter tone, and the power delivery is more linear. The 4-2-1 had a very raw sound and more fireworks at the top end of the rev range.

    From a power perspective the best headers bar none are Supersprint and always have been. They make the most power and are the most well made, but also the most expensive. They are on my to-do list.

    I think most of the 4-1 manifolds sound good, especially combined with 200 or 100 cell cats, but other key points to note are the difference between F430 and Scuderia - for obvious reasons - and between MY05-MY06 and MY07 onwards due to engine changes.
     
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    I'm pretty sure people understood I wasn't talking about headers.
     
  16. RedTaxi

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    Worth noting the 430's 4 exhaust pipes actually only have 2 in play at any 1 time. Inside pipes when valves closed and outside pipes when valves are open.
     
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    Has anyone heard the the new fiamme nghi Engineering header system?
     
  18. CoreyNJ

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    I find this very interesting, I don't have the stock muffler on my car. Why wouldn't it just be 2 when valves are closed and 4 when open? There aren't 4 valves but two.
     
  19. RedTaxi

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    Valves are on the 2 big outer pipes. With valves open the muffler is completely bypassed. When closed gasses are diverted up through the muffler and down and out through the 2 smaller inner pipes.
     
  20. DOWORKFCAR

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    I love my Capristo set up. Looks like you found my video

    At the end of day, any exhaust you put on a F430 will make it sound amazing. Actually, a stock F430 sounds fantastic. Compared to the modern stuff...no competition. Obviously it doesn’t sound exactly like an F1 car, what street car does? So enjoy whatever you have and embrace the NA Ferrari V8!
     
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    I have the Stainless Kreisseig exhaust with Agency Power header. It sounds pretty much the same as that second video you posted. High pitched. My friends like to call it "F1" but it's no where near the pitch or decibel of a real F1. Probably no public road going car out there close to a real F1. It is very loud but a fun loud. Cruising 80mph at near 4K rpm on the highway next to a concrete barrier/wall is awesome.
     
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    Exactly my initial thought. But they said it “looks” 4-1 because of the inconel shield, but it’s really 4-2-1.
     
  25. RedTaxi

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    Nope 4-1. Unless its a very long 4-2 and a very very short 2-1.

     

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