812 VS Rumors

The only special Series vs. standard series we have seen from Ferrari design is the 488 gtb vs. Pista. I’m pressed how much better a Pista looks and performs than a GTB. I have high hopes for the work they’ll do on the 812. The special series have never disappointed.

 

225 UK pounds

 

So Euro 250k - seems a bit light but I suppose once u add VAT and a few options you are at EU350k - again seems a bit low.Thats Pista money IMO.

 

Yes that’s probably true

 

thanks PPG

 

As far as I know the new model that will substitute 812 will be a Roma with steroids . It will be 2022-2023 then . I don’t think , if a VS version will come , it will be much different from actual 812 shape .

 

I want v12 in a portofino sized car.

Even better yet, make small 3 liter v12 for sound and regen and put battery for boost.

Small less polution and every torque one ever needs from the getgo.


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Thanks that’s def a bargain. I’d argue even around £250/260k ( that includes tax to be clear here i the UK) for a well specc’d one still is a bargain for what that car is.i bet you they will bounce back sooner than we think

 

Frankly at the point horsepower/torque is useless, since electric vehicles could easily give you heaps of power. What we want is sound, excitement, linear power, and a sense of passion as well as a link to the past. We don’t need 700+ hp and 800Nm+, not necessary or usable. A 3.5 liter V12, with 400ish hp in a Roma-esque body would be perfect, fun and a throw back to the V12s of old.

Unfortunately most consumers (and that’s the only way to categorize them; consumers, not enthusiasts) would rather have headline performance that they’ll never use, park it around Knightsbridge, Rodeo Drive or Monaco Casino Square and post it on instagram.


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I dont mind 400 hp v12 but with a price tag equivalent to a bmw M3 then yes.

Who would want to pay $350k+ for a sluggish mass production v12.

 

This is the majority of new consumers even though looking at a beautiful masterpiece in either Monaco, Beverly Hills or Knightsbridge is always enjoyable per se... except when the car is covered on gold or wrapped into a diamond/velvet skin, with neon lights underneath the car and has an exhaust that will challenge the sound of an airplane

 

Stabilise possibly yes but bounce back, unlikely.

 

I can understand the idea of staring at your car and admiring. Maybe even giving others the chance to admire it, as in those that don't see it often. However this is completely correct...driving in first and second gear cruising at 20 mph/kph around loops or parking areas or between stoplights in a downtown setting...Beverly Hills, Miami Beach, Monaco, London, wherever...not a lot of driving enjoyment at all for me and I suspect most of us here. It does give people opportunity to see and hear (albeit at low speeds) but there's only so much of that one can take. It does give the photo people opportunities for sure, playing Frogger in and out of the streets, and giving us nice wallpaper to look at, even with cool scenery in the background. But as far as getting the full juice out of the orange...not going to compare.

 

Well depends if that’s the last na v12 and the last of an era plus future models become turbo / hybrids it might well become very desirable longer term but we’re talking medium to long term not in the next 18 months for sure

 

Here's my guess on the VS productions. foods for thought.

1. Profit. Cash it while it's hot. Ferrari needs to earn more $$ for future development. Without a lot of $$$, they will be falling behind just all other exotic manufacturers, AM, Lambo, Mclaren, etc. you name it.

2. Market. The market will take 2-3k units of 812 VS's in total no problem. Just like the Pista's.The exotic car market today isn't what it used to be. Any new car will get old in a couple of years but when it's hot everyone wants it or they will just get angry and go to their competitions. Don't tell me that when you look at a vanilla spec Pista today in 2020 summer and still think it's fresh. They are getting outdated but not yet classic. The market supports this. That's why last year was $550k - 600k for a coupe and now it's $400k - 500k. Then again, the market is honest, buyers still pay top dollars for any better-than-average spec car. So, VS coupe can be the one to fulfill the market's limited edition dreams with a bigger number than TDF's while keeping the VS Spider to the loyalties.

3. Loyalty. There are long term hardcore Ferrari supporters out there, they did everything Ferrari wanted them to do (and more) to get on the Top Tier list thru out the years. These Ferrari loyalties have TDF's, GTO's, SA's, Pista Spider's, Icona's, Annis', etc. all the real meaningful limited editions in hands but have not yet rewarded anything from it. Ferrari can have the status of today, besides amusing cars they built, I believe they care about their loyalties. They won't sell them out like Porsche, Lambo, and Mac did to their customers in recent years. Otherwise, Ferrari wouldn't be Ferrari today.

4. Future. This is most likely the last or at least close to the last V12's. Once EV and Hybrid era coming in, these "last" of blar blar blar will be gold. So even at 2-3k units they are still not that many.

Here goes my guess:
VS coupe 2000-3000
VS Spider 500-800

Let's see...

 

Seems plausible and I shared a similar view before which is VS coupe limited not numbered like the pista and the aperta will be numbered
Main question are
- allocation criteria of the coupe ( aperta forget about it)
- engine will most likely have GPF?
- will it be na or have some kind of assistance such as hybrid / eturbo ... otherwise how can they extract a further 70 ish hp from the current engine plus gpf
- if the future is EV/hybrid even the standard 812 without gpf will become highly desirable ( my comment earlier) and is the modificata of the pininfarina designed F12 ( so still has some PF influence to it no matter what ppl say)
- what will the future really be for V12? Hybrid? Turbo? Limited to Icona or Special series/ hypercars?

 

There are 50 cars available in the UK for 240/275, inc many delivery miles. I agree the main drop is behind us and think there would be very good support at 220 for such an amazing car. There are no real competitors to 812, AM and Bentley cheaper but no comparison. It’s a stunning car at that money.

 

I think last of the NA matters to some folks here but to young people and many other people it’s a total irrelevance. They barely understand. We are not representative.

 

Agreed it has no competition orders stopped being taken in the UK since end of last year so there will be no more supply of new 812 coming, only the GTS which is a different experience and won’t hit the market until next year and will be initially priced high. So while you may maybe see a few around 220 by year end the good examples and the najority of 812 I think might not get there

 

Until the world becomes hybrid / electric and will come the time when people will realise what those cars were about. People always want what they can’t have especially young people the next 2 years will no doubt be very interesting

 

812SF (non GPF) will be the most sought after IMO. Best of everything Ferrari and a "pure" car with a true last V12 NA (non GPF). Will take a few years but like the 430 Scuderia and 458 Speciale it will become an icon - IMO

 

It all depends if sellers want to shift the ones on the market by dropping the price as once that happens its a slippery slope,thisnis exactly what has happened with 488 prices, the cheapest one is now down to £135k which prompted main dealers to drop their prices to complete, dealer price is now £150k

 

too much in my opinion
I bet less than 1000 for coupe and less than 300 for aperta

 

That’s true though dealers may not reduce it if they know there is no competition or further supply coming into the market even if they see one or two outliers adjusting the orice for a quick sale. The best examples will command a premium. I agree with 488 prices though 488 aren’t as exclusive and are made in a much higher number and those cars have a more direct competition from McLaren and Porsche being turbo V8 the 812 doesn’t

 

Agree.....I think this will end up being closer to the mark.