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  1. rga

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    ... and a Pagani Huayra Roadster. By the way the Formula car is a Renault in Elf colours, not sure of the model as I am not a specialist for these
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    To answer your question but off topic to discuss further here a lot of bang for the buck as the series folded.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Series_Formula_V8_3.5

    Thanks this, it further reduces the net and that is an active collection not a bunch of cars gathering dust with an owner in terminal senility.
     
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    At another site they also included a photo of the chassis plate: https://ccsrpcml.carsensor.net/CSphoto/ml/511/870/U00019511870/U00019511870_18_001.jpg
     
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    #8254 Nembo1777, Jun 10, 2020
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    Hello AMLC, are you in this new post referring to the dark green car shown in the warehouse collection in the last few posts, saying that is the light blue car repainted dark green? Or are you talking about a different K; the light blue car? Just a bit confused thanks in advance:)

    As an aside the plate looks fully genuine as does the stamping, just odd that there is a zero in front of the 114, but we were talking about this very topic for earlier two digit cars just weeks ago.
     
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    No sorry for the confusion, my post was not about the dark green car, or the light blue car, but about the white car, that you already identified as #114 in post #8139.

    Via www.motorflair.com I found the Japanese car search engine https://www.carsensor.net/. And although almost everything at the website is in Japanese it works when you enter Khamsin in the search box at the upper right of the screen. The result was the same white car as Boralogist already found at another website (see post #8135), this was the result: https://www.carsensor.net/usedcar/detail/CU5196548762/index.html?TRCD=200002.

    You see one larger photo and 18 small photos with at their right side an arrow pointing to the right. If you click that arrow two more small photos appear including the one with the chassis plate.

    Yes, the plate looks very genuine and I think the numbers are in line with what we've seen on other cars.
     
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    Thank you for the info, all clear now and perhaps I needed more morning coffee;-)

    Meanwhile I really want to identify the green car because that one is clearly an active car whereas many in the land of the rising sun are museum sleepers, no to speak of those that were scrapped after sitting outside too long in that climate rusting away. If the Japanese club does not manage I will ask my other contact, as roger mentioned there are big cars in that collection, that should make it easier to track down.
     
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    Maybe its me, but I have some questions about the engine compartment shown in post 8247. Where is the fresh air
    intake? Instead I see what appears to be relays (purple) and a sealed box, what is that about? Also,
    what are those metal pieces by the Maserati script on the the cam covers? Where are the brake spheres?
    Perhaps this has been converted away from the LHM hydraulics to some degree? Note the plastic
    reservoir in the driver side engine compartment corner..

    I hope I am not coming across as being to critical, it would be interesting to know a lot more
    about this car.. Does anyone have any more information on this car?

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    That looks like a fuel injection rail. Perhaps the box and relays are the ECU. You are correct, that engine compartment is far from original.

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    #8261 Nembo1777, Jun 10, 2020
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    AMLC: you are right that dealer showing the stamped chassis number on the rail is nearly unique and even the chassis plate is very rarely shown.

    Michael and Ivan, you are right, well spotted, I missed it.
    It looks like fuel injection, Roger set a trap and I jumped in with both feet whereas you spotted it;-) A bit like when I posted a photo of the engine bay of the Corvette engined AM120-307 in Sydney and a very knowledgeable member failed to notice the engine change:) There is a fuel injected Khamsin in Germany, 262, but I don't have photos of its engine bay. I know of no K that ever had its LHM brakes replaced by standard ones so this would be a first. But does it mean the clutch is now heavy like in a Daytona? The steering too? Improved or degraded?

    This is all the more reason to track it down, I am trying now Mike:)
     
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    #8262 Nembo1777, Jun 10, 2020
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    Ah identified him: this is the collection, very clearly.

    Takeshi Moroi, President and no doubt owner of Vantec.

    He occasionally drives a 962 on the road LOL, I love that, so certainly a renaissance man, I have asked my contact in Japan to contact him.

    https://www.topgear.com/car-news/tgs-guide-japan/driving-a-porsche-962-le-mans-car-for-the-road#1

    Enjoy the article but let's keep it on Khamsin topic please.

    If you look at the base of the windshield on the Khamsin it looks different, perhaps it is plexi or bonded differently?
     
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    You can see and hear the same yellow car in this (very short) video:

     
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    AMLC well done on finding that and sorry for my delayed reply to your post of yesterday, yes same car! I was aware of it in yellow, there have been at least three K's in yellow in Japan, an automatic with non painted bumpers, another that rusted away terminally and this one with yellow bumpers...so now e know it is five speed and was given a much later (late Biturbo?) steering wheel.

    I had found some other photos of it in the past, (below) and also post here the photo of the engine bay in one of the links you found. I have found an email for the owner and will send it this weekend. Let's see if he answers and what he can say about the mods to "engine feeding" and LHM removal, replacement with what.

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    Oops I had forgotten the engine photo, here it is. To those not following the discussion this car had had its carburettors replaced by fuel injection, long after leaving the factory. Only one other in germany has had this done, again privately, chassis 262.

    I actually disagree with the idea because one of the reasons I feel the Khamsin is the ultimate GT of that era, the end of an are is because it is one of the last Italian GT cars with carbs which adds to the aural pleasure, a really fine engine sound. A normal Khamsin properly tuned runs brilliantly well and does not need F.I. at all. Only very clumsy timid drivers who stay at low revs 100% of the time might have issues but are probably the wrong people for such a car anyway.

    But since it has been done we may as well find out exactly what was done if the owner answer my email of tomorrow.

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    I don’t think the LHM system has been removed. I think you can just see the reservoir at top of engine bay picture

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    #8268 Nembo1777, Jun 13, 2020
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    Hi Bal how are you and 433?

    Actually what Mike and Ivan -both far more technically trained than me- are saying is that some of the LHM system has been deleted on that car. Not all of it.

    For example in Australia one owner has his headlights going up electrically and I do believe there are another couple of cars thus modified. You could (with some engineering ability and LHM piping supplies) delete individual functions; it is just a matter of purging the system, removing a piping section and shutting of the amputated end. So you could for example delete the LHM use for the seat and headlights and keep it just for the brakes, clutch and steering etc: it is not all or nothing.

    I will email the owner of the ex yellow now green car today, just been busy.
     
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    I think on this car the brakes, clutch and most likely the the ancillary equipment are no longer on LHM. Notice it is missing the two brake spheres and in their place are two plastic containers for what appears to be regular brake fluid. My guess is that the only thing on LHM is the steering. Below is a photo of the same area on a normal K.

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    Since the overall basis of the LHM system has been kept for the Diravi, it would have been worth to retain it also for the brakes (more powerful) and clutch (more comfortable).
    Only the non essential and leak-prone cabin (seats) and beams functions could have been dropped...
    But losing the Weber's, what a pity!
     
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    Hey Marc,

    I’m good thanks, been lurking here daily. 433 has been somewhat left in the background in these trying times.
    What both you and Ivan say makes sense as those plastic containers were puzzling.

    thanks

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    #8273 AMLC, Jun 16, 2020
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    Hi AMLC

    the Carrozzeria number 550121 was the clue. And not too many white Khamsins in Germany.
     
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    1146 I saw August 2009 in Bad Godesberg Germany in the workshop of Rolf Schiemenz. It was in very neglected condition in US bumpers with bodywork damage here and there (I was unable to take photos) a bit of a rat. It had been bought for peanuts in the US by a young enthusiast, G.A. One of the last K''s to be bought cheap before prices went up.

    He had contacted me summer 2005 wanting my help to register it in France. Since it was not as simple as he thought after I explained the procedure he gave up. He was having trouble with the electrics etc and clearly was out of his depth technically and financially. He lived in Berlin and I found online these photos below taken then. It is good that it seems to have been taken care of in recent years.

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