Fabspeed and other tuners: why are manual conversion ECUs off the table?

No..it would not make a good street car. You would instantly turn a fast car into a slow car and a mere shadow of what it could be. I love a 3 pedal car..but damn these DCT gearboxes are on another level. You wanna shift gears? Buy a 360 6 speed.. you wanna go fast..the latest is the greatest..like it or not.

 

Why so testy? Did you not ask a question? The manual swaps have been beaten to death on this forum. I'm a manual fan in and out, I have a gated 360, and 4 other manual cars.... but that company also swapped a Scuderia, and in turn, negatively affected the performance of it. These cars are designed for speed, and with these new dual clutch systems, a manual gearbox will never be able to compete. Anything can be done with enough time and money, but whether its worth it or not is a whole other issue.

 

The cars as they come from the factory are so integrated with traction control, e diffs, gearbox, abs, engine performance, etc. that changing to a manual would be extremely difficult. The driver aids allow mere mortals to use a lot of the power and torque available from the motor, screwing this up with a conversion may make the car unpleasant to drive just because it is a poorly controlled pig.

The motor could be tuned with a standalone ecu and manual gearbox, and could be plenty of fun, but hardware and software solutions maybe required to replace the factory set ups. Nothing is impossible but, it would be hard work. Would be fun to do in a race car where it could be set up properly for the track, but a road car would be a bit frightening, and if not done properly the cars value would be lost, which may or may not be a consideration.

Historically, 200 to 300kW power outputs were high performance until the driver aids progressively got better and better and engine outputs were steadily increased as the technology improved.

 

"It's more fun to drive a manual car 'slowly', than to play a video game fast".... or something like that.

Without the engagement that a manual gives, I'm not the market for a 458 or newer, despite "faster and more powerful". I'm good with that.

 

You cannot covert a DCT into a manual shift it's impossible to do. You would have to engineer a completely new gearbox and drivetrain control system. If you want to spend that kind of money..that's up to you. You may have to accept the manually shifted car is pretty much dead in the super car market. And I don't say that because in a Ferrari tech..I say that because it's TRUE.

My heart belongs to the old girls..308/328/TR/512bb etc..but the reality is..none of these old birds hold a performance candle to anything produced from 2005 onward.. none. Do as you will..and enjoy yourself.. that's what it's about at the end of the day..

 

To each their own...and as a die hard lover of the third pedal, I don't understand why one would want a modern, fast revving, mental horsepower exotic with a slow and clunky manual.

I think they stopped making them at, or around, the right time. Mid 2000s was when DCT tech really started showing what it was capable of.

Again, in my opinion, if you want a fast manual car, buy one that came with it then modify it to keep up with modern performance levels....not the other way around.

 

The 430 with a manual is horrible to drive. The car just does not work. The 599 with the manual was horrible to drive..although much better then the 430.

The cars are not in anyway designed for a manual gearbox. To do it would be a complete reversal and a complete waste of money and time. It would in zero way be an enjoyable car to drive or own. Get over the fact the manually shifted gearbox is gone..deal with it or stick to owning old cars..like me..

 

I love manuals; they're all I've ever owned.

But if you can shift a manual to a speed that it's only approximately .000004 difference from a DCT ... te salut.

 

Spend $4k to get a Motec M142

Then spend $800 to get the 458 firmware made to run on it from these guys: https://johnreedracing.com/products/motec-m1-license-toyota-86-jrr-f458-swap

Then contact the guys that made this car with the 458 engine and Fortin Racing 5 speed manual sequential gearbox to help you:



There you go and hope it helps.

Edit: Article on the car http://www.speedhunters.com/2016/11/ferrari-engined-toyota-gt86/

 

Harry Metcalfe certainly disagrees with you, and most of us will defer to his judgement.....

Having said that, I think these conversions of complex electronic cars are stupid.

They will never be a seamless conversion.

I recently bought a 2005 Ford GT....the engine is in the right place, the transmission is wonderful, it's always the best looking car on the road, there are a world of performance upgrades available, and the car is just a damn great drive at any speed. Even the footwell is big enough for my size 13 feet without needing to resort to racing shoes.

Otherwise, a Porsche GT3 is a great modern manual transmission car.

 

They took the rest of the Ferrari away from the engine..very different.

 

All cars mentioned were designed from the start with a manual gearbox in mind..massive differance.

 

ROFL, dude drive a manual 599, you’ll understand what the folks here are saying. God, at first I thought you were a good faith contrarian. I’m starting see you boi.

 

Why would it be an issue?
A dct car when shifting gear tells the ecu to cut etc

How would the car even know a gear is changed?

Just need ecu to think a dct box is there when its not ??

 

You can make anything run anyway you want with a standalone setup, it's just the labor to program it that adds up. They may have had issues trying to reuse the factory computers and getting them to function differently than their designed use. Standalones are much more versatile in that way.

Anyhoo, I applaud your idea, manual swap everything and make drivers drive again.

 

I have only bought manual sports cars, and for the foreseeable future, will continue to do so, but I don’t think it’s worth the time, money, effort to convert an f12. At the end of the day u will have a Frankenstein with a bunch of ecu glitches that very few people will be qualified or willing to attempt to fix. If u want a modern tire melter in 6mt, get a viper or c7 zr1…or 997gt2 rs if u can find one and willing to part with lots of cash

 

Agreed, there is nothing quite like a gated v12 Ferrari! That’s why when I got the opportunity to buy an off-market gated 575, I just wired the money, no ppi, never saw it in person. Best gamble I ever made!