I can understand that top teams defend their position and are not happy that "lesser team" are given a leg up to catch them. The idea is to bring more teams to the front, and not just 2 or 3.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/149589/f1-engine-rules-too-complex-for-new-manufacturers Formula 1's turbo-hybrid powertrain regulations are too complex and expensive for any new manufacturers to consider joining the championship, says Motorsport UK chief David Richards. The now-delayed 2022 technical overhaul, originally slated for 2021 before the coronavirus pandemic prompted F1 to defer the changes by a year, only features very minor tweaks to the powertrain regulations. Although consideration was initially given towards more simplified power units, with the MGU-H looking likely to be dropped altogether, F1 instead elected to retain the same power unit composition. The only changes to the power unit formula focus on the materials used, which aims to save costs, along with a standard fuel pump used by all teams. While F1's current manufacturers will benefit from the reduced cost of having to develop new engines, Richards says that the initial cost of development is far too high for a manufacturer to consider - especially in the current climate, with the global economy due to plunge into a recession. "The investment to get there is just colossal," Richards told Autosport. "[It's] something that couldn't even be contemplated by the car manufacturers today in the current environment. "You'd have to take a couple of steps backwards before it would be even feasible for someone to invest the money that's required to get on par with the current engine suppliers.
Such is the nature of the current F1 turbo hybrid regs. Some or most of us on F1 F-Chat know this already. There was a recent article where McLaren said they spent a BILLION dollars on these turbo hybrid engines. It would take a NEW manufacturer years and more than a BILLION dollars to catch-up to Mercedes, Ferrari, and Honda.....it's not worth the time and money....which is why Porsche dropped out....hoping for a more simplified version of the PU.
That's the stupidest thing F1 has ever done. One of those racing roomba engines costs more than an entire season's worth of V-10's.
Yep. It amazes me every single time....And I keep saying it: F1 is entertainment. And these engines aren't entertaining!
From Alblert Fabrega..... FIA is working in a new engine rules for 2025. MGUH should be removed from power units. It has brought: Image Unavailable, Please Login Efficiency But also: Image Unavailable, Please Login Differences between engines Image Unavailable, Please Login Amazing increase of budget Image Unavailable, Please Login Complexity Image Unavailable, Please Login Block new manufacturers Image Unavailable, Please Login Lack of understanding MGUH has been a proper virus
Ferrari prepares an engine evolution for Austria with 20 more horses Image Unavailable, Please Login The Scuderia Ferrari works hard in the Maranello factory to arrive in the best possible way at the start of the 2020 Formula 1 season, which is expected for the first weekend of July on the occasion of the Austrian GP. Among its advancements is a power unit with an additional 20 horsepower. There have been more than a few cancellations and event suspensions due to the Covid-19 coronavirus pandemic, but it seems that Formula 1 is beginning to glimpse the light at the end of the tunnel: the motorsport queen category wants to return to action in July with a double event in Austria, as Chase Carey himself revealed. Meanwhile, Formula 1 teams have had a mandatory 63-day factory shutdown period imposed by the FIA . However, Ferrari was one of the first teams that decided to close its doors due to the coronavirus, and both its engine department and the other sections are already in place. The appointment of Austria will be crucial for the future of the season, as some parts of the cars will be frozen to save costs , hence why Ferrari wants to arrive in good shape. For this, in Maranello they work almost in every section of the car, but especially in the nose, the flat bottom, the gearbox and, above all, the power unit. According to the Italian newspaper La Gazzetta dello Sport, the evolutions of the power unit focus on a new cylinder head and modifications to the combustion chamber, which will optimize the combustion of the mixture of air and gasoline. In addition, this would come with an update of the software that manages the electrical part - an operation that they were looking for since the beginning of the year, finally achieved. In total, the gain would be 20 horsepower. Ferrari is aware of the importance of power on a track like the Red Bull Ring, so they intend to start the season directly with this 'version B' of their engine, which they have worked on for the last few months with little rest - according to the media Quoted, the engine has been tested on the test bench in three daily shifts. As for the aerodynamic section, there is talk of a remodeling of the flat bottom that leads to other mandatory modifications. In the preseason tests they discovered a 'micro flexing' in the gearbox that influenced the fixing points of the rear suspension and varied the behavior of the car, something that Charles Leclerc especially complained about. The solution, a priori, is to strengthen the outer cover. https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=https://soymotor.com/noticias/ferrari-evolucion-motor-austria-20-caballos-mas-976701&prev=search
So, it will still be an hybrid formula with turbo ? MGUH was perhaps a step too far, but it's a terrific bit of technology. I am wondering how many constructors will still be onboard after 2025. Time will tell ...
My guess, Ferrari and Mclaren. And Mclaren don't make their own engines. Frankly speaking, if it wasn't for the MGUH and F1 employed a more conventional way of harvesting energy for the battery, the cost of these engines would've been far less, and we wouldn't have had the enormous power gaps between engines. Add in some conventional turbos and the sound would've drastically improved, as would the spectacle (dealing with turbo lag would've been another thing for drivers to get on top of).
Doing away with the MGUH, the engines will lose their efficiency. The present power units are clever bits of engineering, recovering what is wasted energy on ICE (heat and exhaust gas flow) . They are probably the most fuel efficient thermal engines ever devised. It's as pity that technology may be abandoned, when it's still in its infancy really. I read that some marine engine builders are thinking of adopting it for large ships, and even trucks may benefit from it in future. To cure the turbo lag, turbos could be powered by electric motors, but that would be a complete waste of exhaust energy although it would improve the sound.
I don't think turbo lag should be cured if honest with you...it would be nowhere near as bad as it was in the 80s, and it would take a drivers' skill to handle it best. Whilst some efficiency is lost by removing the MGUH, this is neccessary for F1 to survive anyways (due to cost). It can be developed elsewhere from now on in relevant industries.
They are going to screw with the engine regs again? Smart idea. Take a broken idea and break it even more. These people never fail to amaze me.
I'm sure I'm the only fan whose passion for auto racing does not include the fuel efficiency thereof. I want to see the cars go fast. Save economy for street use, thank you very much.
You are by far not the only one who doesn't care about fuel economy! This is supposed to be racing, not an economy run.
