what does a classiche certified mean?

Well, we agree on that, with the clarification that there certainly exceptional restored cars that fit this criteria as well. Nonetheless, Classiche is what it is and the specifications are clearly defined.

 

Allowing so many exceptions to qualify only devalues the book. It shifts the basic qualifiers from originality and factory specific to simply who has the money to buy one.

It cheapens the entire award. I am all for the program but not as it is being practiced. For example I do not feel like a car should qualify if the color has been changed.
I mean the rules need to be strict. Think of the value in having a certification such as that signed off on by Perio.

But everyone reading this knows that this would seriously slash the program's bottom $ line.

 

I agree with you, but to not allow well restored cars would basically eliminate most of the greatest vintage Ferrari’s from the 50’s and 60’s. Consider some of the most prized Ferrari’s at Pebble Beach, the Cavallino Classic, etc., many of which have been beautifully restored.

 

My point being I doubt Ferrari wants to get involved in concours judging, unless of course, they can make money doing it.

BTW, you must have me confused with somebody else. I don't know ****.

 

My gripe has always been Ferrari is selling something they don't have, i.e., records on how a car left the factory. Porsche's program is honest. For a few measly bucks, Porsche will tell you how a car left the factory. From there, you're on your own.

 

I never said the car couldn't be restored.

I simply feel like it needs to be restored to the factory specs down to the paint color to receive this particular factory certification.

But remember, this is just my own personal opinion. It isn't a right or wrong thing.

 

Why?

Most paints are no more factory original (please think to a 250 California from 1958 and not to a 1998 F355...): the car is restored, it's no more untouched, has a brand new paint, often a waterpaint with a protective layer on it. Completely different from the OEM. So: if you change color, why should they refuse a car born red and now black or vice versa? under the picture they will write, correctly: car original color was red, but this black is a period and model correct paint. You will know that the paint has been changed.

ciao

 

I said earlier, this is just my opinion. Certainly the chemical in a paint will be different but I believe - to get a book - it needs to be the same color.

The book needs to be a big deal, something difficult to obtain. Something someone will go to great lengths to get.

Again, simply my opinion.

 

I agree. Even moreso, when some repaint a 288 GTO or F40 another color, all of which should all be Rosso Corsa.

 

Today, May 22, 2020, Mr. Piero Ferrari turns 75. Happy birthday to Enzo's son, the Ferrari Classiche department Chairman of the Board.

ciao


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The older he gets, the more he looks like his father.

 

There is only one Ferrari !

 

Dépends on thé Ferrari - useles on my Testarossa, but great on a 250TR


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But that is the 512 reality !

 

You pay Ferrari a LOT of money and they give you a book that says your Ferrari is a Ferrari. Seriously, I think the program has come quite a ways from its inception. But also, I think it's more applicable to the much older cars..they check metal thickness etc. for authenticity.
At any rate, it's still a controversial program that raises many questions.

 

I have a question about Classiche certification in general. There are numerous threads and rather than start another one, this one seemed to be the most relevant to my question:

On U.S. market cars that had some form of emission controls in the early 1970s, does that equipment have to be present on the car for certification?

Thank you.

 

I’ve attached the criteria. If the emissions were applied post production, I do not believe they need to be on the car. You can also consult with a Classiche dealer rep for further clarification. I hope this helps.

 

Thanks. As far as I know all U.S. market cars sold though authorized dealers had the emission equipment installed at the factory before export.

 

Red book will pay for itself on resale

 

What I dislike like about this website is that, sometimes, when someone will a ask a question there will be a few that will always give there give their off handed non relevant bs comment. If you don’t know the answer, please remain silent!

 

It's a forum so just like a normal conversation some people can add revelent information to the discussion while others go off on a tangent.
Not much you can do about that I'm afraid.

 

Rosey, you can say something. Saying something, calling them out, will add to the integrity of this forum!

 

Hahahaha !! They won't listen to me.

To be honest for me it's not a problem.

If you ask long enough and hard enough you'll get the right answer to most questions eventually.