what does a classiche certified mean?

It means different things to different people (like religion.) Only the price is non-negotiable.

 

Think of classiche as handing over your wallet and asking them to help themselves. The more people that refuse to undertake a worthless POS as this the better. It was dreamt up to extract money from you.

There are countless examples (one currently in the 206/246 forum) whereby the certificate is next to useless but can lead a buyer into a false sense of security.

 

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Ferrari has a long history of treating its customers with what is bordering on contempt. This is a way of extracting filthy lucre from people who are not new car buyers. Be it Classiche or climate change, just follow the money to get to the bottom of it.

 

It is a fantastic way to take a old racer or street car from, say the 50's 60's and restore it to the way it originally left the factory and learn the history at the same time, if you are so inclined.

I have absolutely no earthly idea the point on a "modern" un-restored street car. I have not been impressed with the stories I have read and heard about the level of knowledge dealing with even a simple 1981 308 GTSi at a dealer. There are about 10 around here that are far and away more help with answering those questions.

It exists because there is a market for it.

My classiche stamp is the VIN plate by the drivers door.

 

Are people getting a new Ferrari straight from the showroom and getting a classiche as well?

If the are (is it possible?) - WTF???

 

my 308 came with the certification.
To merits just a piece of paper that tells me what the original paint and such was.

Again its just a piece of paper tom me.
It adds no value and I put no value into it.

 

Out of curiosity a couple of years ago I enquired whether my 1978 euro GT4 would qualify for Classiche.

Modern larger radiator fans fitted - no problem.
Superformance (not original Ferrari) 16 inch 5 spoke rims replacing the original 14 inch Cromadoras - no problem.
Plain black carpet in the boot (trunk) not the original patterned carpet though I have since obtained replica originals from dinoparts.de - no problem.
Headlights wired direct from the battery switched through relays - no problem.
Replacement aftermarket fuse holder - no problem.
Interior retrimmed in full crema leather replacing the original part leather tan interior - no problem.
Non original MOMO steering wheel (though I do have the original) - no problem.
Aftermarket non factory exhaust - would fail Classiche on this point.

Go figure.

I had no intention of paying for it anyway, was just interested to find out.

 

How in the hell?

 

The thread in the dino 206/246 section clearly shows just how useless the Classiche certificate is, the documents show the interior as original and beige 430, which is Skai vinyl. The sales literature says its been re-trimmed in leather. Doh

 

How do you fail a classiche and not get your red book?

 

Paying your Ferrari dealer to install a factory exhaust is the cheapest way to allow you write ANOTHER check to Ferrari for a piece of paper that says it's not a Fiero with a body kit (as if you weren't sure). They had to ding something easy, but expensive enough, to make you feel it was a significant part.
The most important part of this is: "Will the bigger check clear?"

 

Does Ferrari care about the older cars? I am new to the Fcar world. The numbers of the cars are lower so I am guessing there isn't as much money to be made on keeping parts available. For instance, I checked parts houses and couldn't find tail light rubber seals.

 

It verifies the stamped IDs of any hard parts....so engine, transmission, frame...

But, where it breaks down with the 308 series is they are not "matching numbers" in the sense of a Dayona, where the engine matches the frame stamping.
By our cars engines were received in larger quantities, by build number, frames numbered in sequence were coming down the line by VIN (and it's been known some PASSED each other in the Factory!) and gearboxes the same.

So, there's not much "value added" to be told your car which you know is still original in components, to be confirmed as "in the known range" of possible components.

Of my three cars one had an engine blown at less than 6K miles, I'm sure replaced with an engine air freighted to Canada...so were I betting man, it's still "in range" of the 1977 motors....who knows.

 

In theory you could pull a 1977 gearbox from salvage, or another engine, and mate it to a 1977 frame VIN, and still pass!

I really challenge the record keeping at the Factory at this point.
Production was up and there were other fish to fry!!

 

As I understand it any color change to interior or exterior is accepted as long as it is a "period correct selection"....

 

IMO, "Classiche" AKA "Trail rated"

 

"Ferrari now expects you to go once a year to a Classiche authorised Ferrari dealership and have the car checked over to be sure that all the original parts that qualified it for certification are still on the car."

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/145450074/

 

Not new.

If Ferrari doe$n't care if you change up your car differently than how it left the factory to pa$$ it, they $houldn't care if $omeone change$ it up AFTER they pa$$ it.

Right?

 

I used to make a annual lump sum donation to what i considered a worthwhile cause, after a few years had passed i started to get repetitive phone calls basically begging for more money. When the frequency got to monthly conversations I pulled the plug and told them to FO.

Greed killed off my involvement in the charity and greed kills off most things.

 

Of course gearboxes are numbered and stamped, that number is fairly easy to see on 328s: put your car on a lift, and look at the rearmost corner of the gearbox, passenger side (on LHD cars...); this is the gear box of my '89 GTS, #80515, you can see the stamping at the top of the pic, just in front of the sheet metal shielding the exhaust: "3710F106MB"; 3710 is the gearbox serial number, "F106MB" meaning "euro gearbox and gear ratios"; US cars are F108 if my memory, etc...

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