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Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by LMH, Apr 7, 2020.

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  1. JTSE30

    JTSE30 F1 Rookie

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    Good question, thank you,

    The link you provide shows pole impact regulations have existed in the EU since 2001 and were upgraded in 2015.

    Now they are being changed again.

    I just reviewed and it appears compliance date has changed to July 2022:
    https://citainsp.org/2019/12/18/new-general-safety-regulation-eu-2019-2144/

    Please review here:

    https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/speed-limiters-eu-cars-safety-2022/

    specifically where this is written:

    Improved pole side protection
    Cars and vans will also have to improve pole side protection. This is the scenario during an NCAP safety test where a car is moved at speed side-on towards a concrete pole, with the impact being more or less in the middle of the car. It is an extremely severe test of vehicle crash-worthiness: making the regulations even stricter could prove challenging to vehicle manufacturers.


    and, also this:

    Head impact zone enlargement
    In the name of pedestrian safety, the size and safety of your windscreen glass are going to change on new cars. In theory, new cars and vans after 2022 will have windscreens that offer greater protection in impacts, for when airbags are insufficient. We’re sure car designers may have thoughts on the possible implications of this…


    and, also this:

    https://www.tuv.com/regulations-and-standards/en/eu-regulation-2019-2144-automotive-type-approval-general-safety-requirements.html

    2. New Occupant Protection Requirements:

    - ECE 135.01 on pole side impact performance;

    - ECE 137.01 on frontal collision with a focus on the restraint system (full width barrier impact), with the scope expanded to include both M1 and N1 category vehicles.


    and

    4. New Features Requiring New Regulatory Requirements to be Developed:
    Enlarged pedestrian protection head impact protection zone for M1 and N1 category vehicles.

    side note: Ferrari's are M1 category:
    M1:
    Vehicles used for carriage of passengers, comprising not more than eight seats in addition to the driver's = 9



    So, by my inference, new regulations have not previously existed so there was no compliance testing, because of this, they appear to be more strict than the 2015 pole impact regulations and will likely require chassis changes.

    I do not know for certain Ferrari does not already comply but since these regulations are new and only very recently agreed upon, chances are Ferrari will be making chassis/design changes to comply especially with the enlarge pedestrian crash area requirements.

    These regulations first occurred in March 2019, and no announced/released Ferrari has been designed since them, so, my assumption is no Ferrari model currently in production including those announced but not yet in production, could possibly comply with a regulation that was created after the car's design was completed.

    Separately, Ferrari has indicated that the USA has changes to its impact regulations and Ferrari will also be needing to comply with those regulations:

    https://corporate.ferrari.com/sites/ferrari15ipo/files/ferrari_-_annual_report_2019.pdf

    from page 65:
    Several new or amended FMVSSs have taken or will take effect during the next few years in certain instances under phase-in schedules that require only a portion of a manufacturer’s fleet to comply in the early years of the phase-in. These include an amendment to the side impact protection requirements that added several new tests and performance requirements (FMVSS No. 214), an amendment to roof crush resistance requirements (FMVSS No. 216), and a rule for ejection mitigation requirements (FMVSS No. 226). U.S. federal law also sets forth minimum sound requirements for hybrid and electric vehicles (FMVSS No. 141). Because of our status as SVM, Ferrari is required to be compliant at the end of the phase-in period.
     
  2. Coincid

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  3. PTG1

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    We have been debating this for some time, I have been told there will defo be one but my source is not anywhere near as good as other guys sources on here
     
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  4. PTG1

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    Exactly what is was told, from dealer
     
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  5. LMH

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    So we have 4 who claim it will NOT happen against 3 who think it will happen...
     
  6. LMH

    LMH Karting

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    My 765 LT Spider confirmed by the dealer Q2 2021
     
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  7. ScrappyB

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    Are you going to spec the Senna brake rotors?
     
  8. Coincid

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    Thinking about it.
     
  9. F12JAJ

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    #59 F12JAJ, Apr 10, 2020
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    As a Pista owner and someone that spent time test driving an F8, I agree with you 100%. The cars are not even close. Even though F8 is touted with same powertrain it feels and drives and sounds NOTHING like the Pista.


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  10. LMH

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    To put things into context, any of you Pista owners has as well an Speciale?. as the difference in sound between the Speciale and the Pista is sensible, so from Pista to F8 I guess no that big, being both cars "cousins" right?
     
  11. leopoldo

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    I have drove both , to me I do prefer pista at low mid rev and speciale at high rev.
     
  12. LMH

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    One observation with all the respect, I see lots of Pista owners defending the Pista sound, which might not be impartial, as we all naturally have tendency to defend what we have versus what we don't have.

    Personally I value more the opinions of those who own both, so that they don't need to justify either or; and the opinion is not based on a 10 minutes test, but rather on hours & trips of ownership. First time I tested the Speciale, I didn't like it. Now that I own it, I love it and appreciate it more every day.
     
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  13. LMH

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    In any case, don't you think in 10/20 years, when all new sports and non sport cars are electric, we will not notice this subtle differences between the turbo and the NA engines?, I guess we will think that they all sound fantastic
     
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  14. PTG1

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    I think you may well be right, we will appreciate all ice cars but, still as we are into the details of these cars will still be banging on about the subtleties of the sound for another 20 years or so
     
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  15. Gh21631

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    Thats similar to the one I built.
     
  16. LMH

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    amen
     
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  17. Coincid

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    I love the color. Really suits the design. Did the black alcantara interior with grey accents and contrast.
     
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  19. ferrarifanatic25

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    I posted this in the F8 thread a few days back, but after hearing an F8 run through the gears a few times and having heard countless pista’s/488 do the same, I can say that (in my opinion) the F8 makes a better sound, while the 488 and especially the Pista are significantly louder. I’ve got a good amount of time behind the wheel of a 488 but haven’t had a chance to drive the Pista or F8, so I can’t comment from the drivers seat on those two just yet.

    If we were to use a 1-10 scale for sounds quality and volume, for me, the equation on sound would be (1*sound quality)*(1.5*volume)=overall excitement/satisfaction. In other words, the volume level is weighted heavier in contributing to my overall satisfaction. So in this case, while the F8 might make a better sound, I still prefer the loudness of the 488 and especially the Pista and the additional excitement that comes with it. After all, a louder sound is the result of additional energy being transmitted and by definition will have an amplified affect on the senses.


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  20. Camlet1

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    Ferrari Collector took his F8 to Techart, a specialist tuning firm. It's possible his F8 has a non oem exhaust. Can't say for sure.
     
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  21. LMH

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    Thanks, didn’t know and it will explain things. Do you know him?, as I can not see the Techart visit on his IG, where did you see that?
     
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  22. SAFE4NOW

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    Congrats on your F8!

    1. Exhaust is electronically controlled now ( starting with the Portofino and newer ) so simply bypassing the vacuum system doesn't work anymore. Any by " work " I mean, yes the sound will change, but you will get a check engine light message after a drive cycle or two. There ARE electronic controllers that piggy back the OEM system than have been installed and so far, have proven reliable. FWIW

    2. If you are installing the same headers, pipes, and muffler on each of the two ( Pista vs F8 ) I would expect you will have the same resulting sound.


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  23. F12JAJ

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    I have had both. As a matter of fact recently let go of the Speciale as Pista was on the way and 812 was still sitting in the garage. I love the sound of NA F 12 and 8 engines, especially in Speciale, however, Pista sound is different and not as guttural as Speciale at higher revs of course, but still it is very formidable and having had all of the above still very exciting for me to hear and enjoy.


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  24. Camlet1

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    Not personally, but he's a good guy and a very strong legit collector. Look for a his F8 posts, swipe left.
     
  25. leopoldo

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    #75 leopoldo, Apr 14, 2020
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    The sound of my pista spider is another world, much more aggressive, higher volume, and more close to a N/A , this sound so different and weaker !
     
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