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  1. BMWairhead

    BMWairhead Formula 3

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    I was driving down the road in Portland one fine morning...when I looked over and noticed a purple Vector parked on a side street. Then I saw a Daytona GTS/4 and a Dino parked awkwardly on the sidewalk...a Miura here a Countach there...there were exotics spilling out of a non-descript warehouse door in a seedy part of town (Portland seedy...it’s a bit different and totally okay for Vector parking)...

    It was the top-secret(ish) Tonkin garage...they were getting something out of the back for the PDX Int’l Auto Show. That was the same year someone set a Lambo on fire trying to get the fuel below a quarter of a tank by starting it and putting a brick (or, more probably a latte) on the accelerator.
     
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  2. thepinkumbrella

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    I did see on Facebook Jim Glickenhaus stating the Bizzarrini is a replica...
    Now I’m not getting in to what Jim thinks is real or fake...and my knowledge of Bizzarrins is poor...let’s ask Philippe Olczyk...or perhaps not...

    Here is the text from Glickenhaus’s post with his accompanying image:


    The net is a funny place. Google: "Million Dollar Bizzarrini Barn Find."
    Look at the photos and video posted.
    Ask yourselves a few questions.
    Is the chassis tubing round or square?
    Is the engine a gen 1 327 or an LS?
    RT hand or left hand drive?
    Why is the name "Diomante" stamped on the square tubing chassis plate?
    Read this link especially the part "Continuation Bizzarrini P 538's".
    Personally I don't think a replica Bizzarrini is worth $1,000,000 even if it's coated in 30 years of dust.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizzarrini_P538
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  3. readplays

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    The small number- 4?- of P538s were built by Bizzarrini in the 60s.
    The car in this video is one of several continuation cars built many years later by Diomante.
    It's not meant as a criticism of the man who made the video but he is factually incorrect- the value he ascribes is for an original but the car in the video is a continuation. Better than the Noble 'P4' next to it, but still, not a Bizzarrini. A Diomante.
     
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  4. readplays

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    Yes. Perhaps let's not. Just this once. :p:D
     
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  5. 375+

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    Quite possibly one of the Bertolero cars built in the late 1970's
     
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  6. 275GTB

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  7. amenasce

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    Im surprised no one here knows what the other car, next to the fake Bizzarrini, is.

    I emailed them but no one ever replied.
     
  8. readplays

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    It's a Noble 'P4'.
     
  9. 275GTB

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    i would love to know more about it as well, especially when it comes up for sale!
     
  10. amenasce

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  11. Marcel Massini

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    It is a complete and total fake.
    Nothing to do with a genuine Ferrari.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  12. amenasce

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    Yes that one is a Noble. Well known UK replicas.

    The car beside the Bizzarrini continuation is referred to as a Noble as well but it looks more like a Tom Meade creation.

    I'd be very surprised if that was a Noble as well.
     
  13. merstheman

    merstheman F1 Rookie

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    Funny, if that is a real 288GTO it's way better a car for the video than the Bizzarrini. I mean it might even be worth more than a real deal P538...
     
  14. Tenney

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    A few cool real ones in this one ...

     
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  15. amenasce

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    More detailed video of almost each car. A lot of wrong info from the curator..AWD BMW 8er? Diablo Anniversary? 250 GTE Race car?
    I saw 3 Testarossa, one looked like a spider? I think at least 3 308 (GTB and GTS?)
    A lot of modified porsches (Gemballa, DP...).
    Too bad the camera man does not spend more time on the Ferraris
     
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  16. readplays

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    3 mins. in: "All these cars are for sale, by the way"

    You don't say.
     
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    I'm told that the third building has the really good cars. Perhaps these videos should be titled "Don't Wash Mine"(apologies to the late Kirk F. White).
     
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  18. Wade

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    My guess is they're trying to promote the miracle factor of their products - Barn Find to Beauty In situ.
     
  19. Wade

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    Number 54231 has the same side markers.

    https://ferraris-online.com/cars/1985-ferrari-288-gto-54231/

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  20. schumacher12345

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    what are chances this is Giotto Bizzarrini collection?


    there is so many replicas / kit cars and random engines and weird mismatches


    edit: ignore it now reading thread that Bizzarrini cars are not real.
     
  21. Marcel Massini

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  22. amenasce

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  23. readplays

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    #73 readplays, Apr 10, 2020
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    From the second video we get clarification on some cars and add some more
    Time cue(s) from the second video-
    7:02
    9. 308 GTS red
    7:35
    10. 308 GTS white
    8:02
    11. 308 GTS blue
    10:19
    fake NART Spyder on probably a 400 chassis. Door handle is from a 400. Wood dash is haphazardly placed over existing dash. Frankenstein Ferrari.
    17:58
    12. Testarossa white
    22:01
    13. 400 red
    25:12
    we learn that 6. 365 GTB/4 yellow is a cut coupe.
    28:17
    14. Testarossa white
    28:19
    15. Testarossa white
    28:45
    16. 355 Spider yellow

    Master List
    We merge the 2 video lists.
    We re-number after eliminating 5. 365 GTB/4 black from the list of real cars;
    1. 308 GTS blue
    2. 250 GTL grey
    3. 288 GTO red
    4. 308 GTS hot rod, blue
    5. 365 GTB/4 yellow cut coupe
    6. 308 GTB red with aftermarket rims
    7. 250 GTE* silver.
    *Chassis and body remain. Engine drivetrain and wheels 'racecar' (Chevy).
    8. 308 GTS red
    9. 308 GTS white
    10. 308 GTS blue
    11. Testarossa white
    12. 400 red
    13. Testarossa white
    14. Testarossa white
    15. 355 Spider yellow
     
  24. readplays

    readplays Formula 3

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    It has a 400 (or Mondial) door handle. It's a modern Ferrari- probably a 400- with a 'custom' body. Not unlike one of the less-successful Coco Chinetti creations- except even less successful.
     
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  25. Veedub00

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