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2005-2008 612 pre OTO's - 366 in US?

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  1. ThunderRolls

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    Can some inferences be drawn from this document concerning the recall and replacement of the defective clutch sensor? (excuse me if this subject has already be thrashed out and I didn't see it). Although the recall notice and all the articles I read mention 2005-2007, the last VIN shown is actually a 2008 (but clearly not an OTO). This would tie out nicely to the superfast transmission replacement that started around June of 2008.

    Is this the earliest US 2005 612 VIN? - ZFFAA54A050136719
    Is this the latest non-OTO 2008 612 VIN? - ZFFJB54A780157391
    Does the population recalled - 366 - represent all FNA 612's before the OTO changes?

    The document can be reviewed in full here:
    https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2008/RCDNN-08V214-4195.pdf

    In post Terry made in 2018, there were some documents that were uncovered that shed some light on 2005 and 2007 models, however none for 2006. Could the total of 366 shown in the recall provide the missing 2006 numbers?









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  2. greyboxer

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    Yes but no but

    The figures don't allow for the manual 612 of which allegedly about 60 USA of 200ish worldwide
     
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  3. FIN612

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    I have TCU from #159598, which is one of the latest 2008 non-OTOs. Manufactured in March, 2008. My own 2008 non-OTO is #157980 and most probably one of the first ones with 125ms software update - but stll a F!-A.
     
  4. F612

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    I Have U S OTO s/n 160338.
    It was built in April of 2008 and air freighted to Newport Beach, CA
    Does anybody know of a previous OTO?
     
  5. tazandjan

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    Thunder- Affirmative, that total of 366 less 228 from 2005 and 66 from 2007 would give 72 for 2006. The NHTSA site uses model years for its data. Attached is the Technical Bulletin that Ferrari ultimately issued for the new waterproof Clutch Position Sensor, also with the number of Ferraris affected, which I missed.


    Jimmie- NHTSA does not care about the difference between F1 and 3 pedal Ferraris. Their numbers include all of that particular US only (not including Canada) model.
     

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  6. tazandjan

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    Missed part of your question, but OTO production did not start until Spring 2008 and all OTOs, and many interim 612s, were MY08 in the US.
     
  7. ThunderRolls

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    The one I posted on the other thread that was being parted out on eBay has a lower VIN and was a US car. Looks like it could have been an OTO -ZFFJB54A880159683. A search can give you who owned it and where. Looks like it had the glass roof and correct wheels, but hard to tell anything else.
     
  8. ThunderRolls

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    I also saw this advert from 2013 for VIN #159611 and it looks like it was not an OTO. Would there be a definitive cutoff between them on the VIN's? I'm assuming there would be in the realm of modern car production. That would narrow the VIN's between pre-OTO and OTO somewhere between 611 and 683 :)
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  9. F612

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    612OTOs have an electrochromic glass roof (all gone in the burned car) but this car has a “diamond pattern headliner”?
    The HGT2 was the option on 612s after CC brakes became standard, which may have happened very shortly before the OTOs came out.
    Looks to me like 159683 is the oldest confirmed OTO.
     
  10. tazandjan

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    Was the HGTC the HGTS with CC brakes?
    So, when the CC brakes became standard HGTC became HGT2?
    When did the CC brakes become standard?
    Love the Tazmanian Devil!
     
  12. tazandjan

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    HGTC was effectively HGTS with CCMs and minor trim changes.

    Packages:
    * *HGTS Package includes: Sports Exhausts, Modular Wheel Rims 19″ with Sport Tires, Colored Brake Calipers, Specific Suspension Control ECU, Revised F1 Gearbox Software with Shorter Gear Shift times.

    * * *HGTC Package includes: Carbon-Ceramic Brake Discs, CCM System Mono-block Brake Calipers, Sports Exhaust, Ball-polished Modular Wheel Rims 19″ with Sport Tires, Color Brake Calipers, Specific Suspension Control ECU and Revised F1 Gearbox Software with Shorter Gear Shift times.

    No, HGTS became HGT2 during a software change to the Motronic ECUs that made the body/shock ECU and F1 ECU/TCU no longer compatible. At the same time, they upgraded the TCU F1 software for all 612s to a min shift time of ~125 ms. For a while, Ferrari called HGT2 with CCMs HGTC, even though the document above said they would not do that. Then they transitioned to spelling out HGT2 and CCMs as separate options.

    CCMs became standard on the OTO 612 in early 2008, around early spring. There was also a little known HGT1 option for the Sessantas, which were the prototypes for the major features of the OTO.
     
  13. F612

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    Ferrari’s are designed, built and marketed by Italians after all.
     
  14. ThunderRolls

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    Taz - I think I'm going to be able to show you that known 6 speed manuals do not fall within the 366. They were excluded from the number of recalled vehicles.
     
  15. tazandjan

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    You may be correct, since none of them needed a clutch position sensor. Had not thought of that. The NHTSA figures include both, but not necessarily the tech bulletin ones.
     

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