488 Pistas selling for less than MSRP...

His review represents the average super car owner who drives their cars daily or frequently on city and country roads. Your perspective is very different.

 

Well he personally has a 3RS so that tells you something. I was more in interested in his comments about the 2RS being more of a track car which I believe you are in agreement with vs. some of the others i.e. 720.

 

Shadow- Have you considered the MR mod on your GT2/RS?

 

bingo!

 

Yes it sure does but he shouldn't allow the truth to get in the way of telling a good story.

And saying the 3r is less of a track car is also incorrect. These two are very much equal in that regard.

Owning both variants and having put miles on them in city, country and track environments I can reliably state under no uncertain terms that as much as the 3r is indeed surprisingly livable as a dd the 2rs is even more so by a noticeable amount. Even my wife will back that up and has been outspoken on occasion just how much she prefers the ride characteristics and comfort of the 2r over the 3r which is the jiggier and taughter feeling car particularly at low and parking speed. Both feel unmistakably track focused cars in their chassis set ups vs the Pista which feels much more regular even though it corners very flat and is very obedient to driver input (steering). All I can put dudes account down to is that maybe he had the GT2 suspension button set in the hard mode which I would never use on the street and even the circuit mostly as the stock setting is where you want it. That also applies to the 3rs 99% of the time. The firm button needs a billiard table surface to get any real benefit and can be counterproductive on any uneven road surface.

The only logical answer to dudes account is that he owns the Gt3rs and as he wasn't prepared to (or able to) pay the extra for the gt2 so instead chose to embellish his ownership situation. With these two variants it takes ownership and proper seat time in both to see why the gt2 is the more expensive and only then you can appreciate the superiority of the engineering. Those Germans have certainly put a lot into that car to make it so competent and it isn't all just the huge power. It's the whole sum of its parts and not just a set of tyres as some will try and make out. There's been a lot of clever engineering that has been put under the skin of that car. But again in saying that, the 3rs is indeed utterly sublime and really all one ever needs as a fun car. If one can get over the lack of exotic appearance you wouldn't bother with anything else really. Having Pista's and Gt2's hand of god acceleration is very satisfying and extremely helpful in dispatching slower cars but once you are out of the traffic and it's man and machine vs the road or track, the 3rs is MORE than powerful and fast enough and, all you'd ever need or, want. It is an incredible car - so accomplished now. And the sound of the engine does give the 3 the edge over both Pista and Gt2 even though they do sound very good in their own ways. So yeah its a tough call nowadays which to choose so desirably one can own a selection and appreciate each one for what it is.

 

I'm not sure I agree. Some want the look at me car which Porsche's are not compared to a Ferrari, Lambo or Mac. Porsches are more common place and certainly not at the same level as the aforementioned exotics. However, the performance and all out experience is right there with all of these cars. I think at some level Porsche is taken for granted. The GT models are exceptional when it comes to driver enjoyment and performance. I am having as much fun in my GT3 as any other car if not more.

 

Yes i have. I am finding it hard to justify the expense but I think that's probably just mainly due to my ignorance in not knowing how much better "sensational" can be made. I may well do it just for the sake of maxing the driving experience out. I mean if something can be made better why not? Those with the MR mod all say they would never go back. But at this stage I'm probably more inclined to put priority into making a few changes to the Pista set up as I personally think it warrants it more.

 

Absolutely.

 

i guess it is really to each of its own. I had more fun in the GT4 than both .1 and .2 GT3. Had over 10k miles in both. I really never missed my GT since I came to the Ferrari lala land. I had so much more fun in the 458 than the GT3. the engine note of GT4 can become annoying fast though. I find it hard to believe the GT3 provides as much fun as your pista though. But what am I to argue about because I don't have a pista...

Having said all that I also find my perspective changes with age.

 

Actually up until this I would have been inclined to think dude was a reasonably reliable watch. But now, after this total load of nonsense, I would have to question all of his previous reviews and frankly I guess I shouldn't be surprised as so many of these types of guys are out there now making out they know about these cars when in really they have no idea at all... or at best very little....and I mean VERY little using this guy as a text book case.

I think unless a reviewer has some credible track record of actually being able to drive these cars properly then I'd be inclined to take whatever is said with a huge grain of salt. Maybe this guy does typify the average super car owner and if so, what a sad situation.

 

The Pista is more special for sure but the GT3 is a lot of fun especially in a manual.

 

So, as to not hijack the OP’s post, how ‘bout that $399k Pista?

https://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/listing/2020/ferrari/488--pista/2214211

 

No vin and no option list so no way to tell if that is a great deal or not. Could be a bare bones and over msrp. Remember the base price is $345,300. I’ve seen some out there with no carbon, no stripe and MSRP of $380k.

 

A special car like the Pista deserves a lavish spec, in terms of both color and options, imvho.

I hate a Ferrari with a bare to the bone spec. And I hate the feeling that a Ferrari was configured on a budget. It shows, even a country mile away. Taste should reign supreme.

Kind regards,

Nuno.

 

Exactly. The nicer cars are still getting a premium - not $100k over but still a decent markup. If you want a base car or don't mind a goofy spec you will get a deal.

 

Original window sticker was $386,836 on this car. They won't budge.

Stipper unit, but no discounts.

 

Maybe. Until they get tired of not selling.

 

Yep..found a Rossa Corsa with 58 miles and was ready to make the deal but no radio. We know radios are horrible on these cars but nice to use the blue tooth interface. Another Grigio titanium beautiful color but no suspension lifter...357 miles. All@great prices but if you are going to pay MSRP don’t comprise something you will regret after.

 

Off topic, but might be zero sum (inflation) game as every country prints their way out of it.

 

Maybe but US exports will be cheaper too.

Personally I believe the World will bounce back rather quickly as the alternative will require martial law in most places. We will know soon though.

But I do agree - massive bargains on supercars coming ....

 

I would think massive bargains on mainstream lux cars, not exotics. The 1% didn’t lose all their wealth. Maybe 20%

 

Those outside the 1% who financed stuff certainly did

 

Totally agree. Aspirational buyers are gone. How much of the market is made up of stretch buyers I am uncertain of. I think we might all be surprised by the number of individuals who probably should not be buying these cars.

 

William Devane?

In all seriousness, the article is spot on about auto secondary. While different for exotics, it will impact resale prices as buyers will slow dramatically and too much inventory will be sitting (and end up in auctions, with no demand). This will not really been seen for another 3 months or there about. That is when you will see more cliff diving across all exotic brands. It's too early in the process now and why dealers really are not in panic pricing...yet. Now is NOT the time to buy if you have liquidity to play--wait until mid/late summer.

The other major issue is the mortgage industry as retail businesses, restaurants and small businesses close. Tons of empty office/retail space for rent. Plus businesses that were forced to work from home, will most likely start to shift more to that model where they can--people got a taste of the WFH life and will demand it. In the housing market, people are not in a position to buy a new house, which creates more inventory which drives prices down. Doesn't matter what interest rates are, people have more pressing matters to pay bills and keep a job. Back to the mortgage markets, which banks are having to give home owners months worth of payment concessions, it's going to get ugly in that market by this summer as it impacts the banks and mortgage companies. We could see another mortgage crisis--as people were over leveraged and housing prices fall.

All thanks to China. Thanks guys, appreciate changing the world forever. Hell of a way to make friends.