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so you want to work on your ferrari but are scared to death....

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by Clyde Romero, Mar 29, 2020.

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  1. Clyde Romero

    Clyde Romero Formula Junior

    Sep 6, 2019
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    Clarence Romero
    ok so you want to work on your Ferrari but you're scared to death that you will cause more harm than good.
    well fear not my friend, its not that hard to do the basics even some of the most complex routine maintenance items can be performed on the majority of the cars out there without being factory trained.
    here is a fact, a 10mm combination wrench along with a 10mm socket can remove 50% of the bolts you will encounter on your car!
    yes Ferrari's are bolted together roughly with 10mm bolts everywhere!
    oil changes no problem buy the filter, along with the brass washers, get a huge drain pan, drain the oil.
    yes with the new cars like my 575 you have than PITA undertray affectionately known as the condom under the car, but once that's off its all there. just like a real condom! ( couldn't help that)
    tools are a minimum, a good metric combination set with a 3/4 drive socket set and a set of screw drivers and you've paid for all the tools with one oil change from you dealer.
    you can get these tools on sale everywhere, harbor freight has good stuff I use them all the time
    what I use to jack the car up is a quick jack systems https://www.quickjack.com/car-lifts/bl-5000slx/
    this system is well worth it for everything from brake jobs, rotating tires, fluid changes you name it
    even for you guys who want to detail the undersides of your car
    this is the kit as far as am concerned since you will not need jack stands!
    getting back to working on the car, its basic and with the internet its virtually impossible to mess up and oil change, brake fluid change, coolant change or brake pad change, which in case you haven't noticed are the high maintenance items on the cars.
    now here is where I will get yelled at, torqueing items, yes for killer items like tension bolts and the like you would be advised to use the recommend torques, I have maintained a 308/521TR/575 so far and never used a torque wrench on an oil filter and I have not had a catastrophic event! (stand by for impact!)
    most of us who have worked on cars for many years never had the luxury of the internet to get the job done, service manuals especially for early Ferrari's were a joke, forget about parts books.
    and while I am at it the parts book for your car is way more valuable than any service manual.
    here is why, it shows you how the parts go together and come apart.
    everything you require to keep your prancing horse running smoothly is available on line.
    early cars up until the 360 are the easiest to work on in my opinion.
    to include the belt service which for some this might be much, but for those of you are willing to do it you will see its not that big of a deal.
    don't be afraid, remember we Americans put a man on the moon, not the Italians
    and if you have ever been to Italy and been to and Italian auto repair shop you will know what I mean when I say " I could do that"
    so I hope I have pushed some owners out the nest to get to work on their cars.
    between YouTube, this forum and a plethora of other assets out there online
    its a no brainer.
    get some grease on your hands
    you will be glad you did

    Clyde Romero
    author of 575 on the move thread
     
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  2. 1949live

    1949live Karting

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    You're a riot. Thanks for the humor. I will have to try my first oil change on my newly acquired F430 as you suggest.
     
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  3. Extreme1

    Extreme1 Formula 3

    Jun 27, 2017
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    There's a guy on You Tube that does his 430. Just follow along with what he does, except splashing the sump drain oil everywhere.


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  4. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Aug 10, 2002
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    There's a lot of truth to what clyde is saying. There are mostly 10 and 13mm everywhere. I have worked on just about every car. I'm now developing my 2019 mustang gt racecar. It is the most painful car I have ever worked on. Among other failings every fastener is a different size placed in very poor positions due to a complete lack of anything that could be called engineering. I know why Ford is near bankruptcy and a near penny stock.
     
  5. AandSC

    AandSC Formula Junior
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  6. Clyde Romero

    Clyde Romero Formula Junior

    Sep 6, 2019
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    Guys I don’t know what to say
    I guess I’ve started something here
    congrats on the bumper removal
    Really it’s not that hard and the beauty of this
    parts are ready available at good prices and there isn’t anything that you will encounter that hasn’t been seen by someone else
    Trust me on this
    Back in the 80’s you were an astronaut, out there on your own
    Now please
    it’s child’s play
    Really
    Because it comes in a yellow box with a horse on it you will pay for it
    But as you get used to this you will find parts that can do the same job not out of the yellow box
    Press on
    Learn and do
    It’s fun and you will have the confidence that very few owners have
    And on top of that when you do venture in to take your car in for something that is above your heads
    You can talk to the tech and say
    Hey man how do you do that procedure?
    Never had one tell me no
    They all want to teach
    Take one to lunch
    It will be the best lunch you’ve ever had
    I have over 100k on my 512 TR and have done numerous services on it
    But you know what I’ve never had to do the gearbox
    And everyone is telling me I can do
    No way HOSE’ it’s above my pay grade
    That gearbox is a mystery to me and I am good with it
    If it ever goes south, I send it to a pro
    I can sword fight with ZORRO but not in the dark!

    a couple of tips

    Go slow ,don’t force anything if it doesn’t come off there is a reason why ( look at the hidden bolt in the transaxle assembly on the 512 TR)
    Wear gloves and eye protection
    Take breaks
    If you’re getting frustrated take a break and stop and attack it tomorrow
    You be surprised how different a day makes
    Take notes
    Take pictures (iPhone)
    Make sure you have not put the car your working on in a position that you can’t access the car you need to get part for!
    It will happen
    Remember
    It’s ITALIAN!!!!

    Ciao
    Clyde
     
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  7. robertgarven

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    Clyde, you rock!!!

    26 years working on my GT4! However this site and all those experts here willing to give advice have made all the difference!

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  8. spider348

    spider348 Formula 3

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    Hi Clyde. Haven't seen you post for a long time. Good to see you are still driving the TR!
     
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  10. bernieb

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    3/4 drive socket set?
     
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  11. psych0hans

    psych0hans Karting

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    I’m a classic case of “I can take apart a remote control, and I can ALMOST put it back together.”


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  12. psych0hans

    psych0hans Karting

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    Look up “Normalguy Supercar”


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  13. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
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    On various Ferraris I have worked on, I have used:

    6mm, 7mm, 8mm, 9mm, 10mm, 11mm, 12mm, 13mm, 14mm, 15mm, 17mm, 18mm, 19mm, 21mm, 22mm, 27mm, 30mm, 36mm sockets.
    Open ended wrenches for all those sizes including some custom ground up ones
    Boxed end wrenches for those sizes including some ground up thin wall 13, 15, 17. 19mm ones
    Stubby wrenches from 8mm to 22mm
    Flared nut wrenches from 8mm to 21mm with some specially bent for the occasions
    Ratcheting wrenches from 8mm to 19mm (marriage savers)
    Four prong sockets for timing drive pulley, smog pump pulley, steering wheel nut, pumpkin center nuts, rear axle stubs
    A special socket for the speedo sensor, two other for O2 sensors,
    Tamper-proof torx bits for the airbags
    Crow foot wrenches

    And that is just two drawers on my tool box. Correct that 10mm socket may undo 50% of the fasteners but it's the other 50% that will give you a hard time.
     
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  14. Clyde Romero

    Clyde Romero Formula Junior

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    love it
    and to think there are those out there who pay thousands for the
    original tool kit and pouch

    LOVE IT !!!
     
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  15. Clyde Romero

    Clyde Romero Formula Junior

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    so true
    so true
    but you have hit all of the correct sizes across the board
    I didn't want to do that
    but I am glad someone like yourself took the time to do so
    I didn't want to overwhelm to new guy
    but hey instead of getting a bad tie for a present you can print this out and give this to her and say
    I need this stuff

    AND NEVER USE THE TOOLS IN THE KIT THAT CAME WITH CAR
    THEY ARE TERRIBLE
    why they even put them in the car is beyond me
    it must be some throw back to when you needed tools or something
    because if you get down to using those tools
    you are in deep kimchi
    the metal that Ferrari used in those tools must be from the slag pits !
     
  16. Clyde Romero

    Clyde Romero Formula Junior

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    I am going to steal your picture
    sorry
    its too good
    love it
    you are too funny
     
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  17. Clyde Romero

    Clyde Romero Formula Junior

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    yea still driving the 512 TR
    it has 109k on it
    try to do around 100 miles a month on it
    huge difference between the 512 TR and 575M
     
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  18. Clyde Romero

    Clyde Romero Formula Junior

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    good for you
    Your saving tons of money and learning
    Great
    You will be a master of your car in no time
    It’s not for everyone
    But for those who wish to try
    It’s not that hard
    Press on
     
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  19. RedNeck

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    Please don't


    As to the original post...I do far more harm driving my car than working on it. I've had more trouble with my 2005 Silverado than the 360
     
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  20. psych0hans

    psych0hans Karting

    Jan 12, 2020
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    Why do you say that? I’ve seen his videos of changing the oil on the 430, is he doing something wrong?


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  21. RedNeck

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    Well, I guess if you consider being an annoying jackass "wrong", then yes.
     
  22. Clyde Romero

    Clyde Romero Formula Junior

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  23. Clyde Romero

    Clyde Romero Formula Junior

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