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Is BAT the Go-To place for buying a Dino?

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  1. stuartlarman

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  2. Bluebottle

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    Keep us posted - it will be interesting to hear of your experience.
     
  3. henryr

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    Sellers that have their act together do very well on Bat...
     
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  4. henryr

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    i'd rec'd a professional detail, pics and video. copies of everything

    selling for high dollar is a job
     
  5. 4CamGT

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    Dino looks promising! I totally agree with the above statement! The more history and detail you show, the better. A great driving video (exterior and interior if possible), starting from cold, going through the gears in a spirited motion. I’m sure you have some great roads around. Best of luck!!
     
  6. cls

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    BaT will send a photographer to you and you pay through BaT. It's not expensive and the pictures (in may case) were very good.
     
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  9. 4CamGT

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    #35 4CamGT, Jan 22, 2020
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    I think $320K is a healthy number for this example. Compares well to the $308K for the Barrett-Jackson example. Neither showed any books and tools and both looked to be presentable drivers and not 100 point cars. Any other examples from Scottsdale to compare to?

    This example was at Bonhams showing sold at $280K (don’t know if that includes auction fees). https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25718/lot/68/
     
  10. 4CamGT

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    #36 4CamGT, Jan 22, 2020
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    This example at RM shows sold at $340,500 (Inclusive of applicable buyer's fee). Is Ferrari Classische Certified. Mentions also that it includes books and tools.
    https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az20/arizona/lots/r0043-1972-ferrari-dino-246-gts-by-scaglietti/835960


    Here’s a couple of recent high water mark examples at BaT at $380K and $400K to compare:

    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-ferrari-dino-6/
    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-ferrari-dino-4/
     
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  12. 4CamGT

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    What I appreciate about BaT, because it’s done on a public forum over days and weeks with commentary and valuable information it allows a buyer to do some due diligence and to do an educated purchase.
     
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  13. synchro

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    Another Dino listed on FerrariChat first then moved to BAT.
    This is a very nice showing!
    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-ferrari-dino-12/


    I sold a Dino on FerrariChat in 2015 and this was the go-to place to buy from long term owners. Now sellers list here and move it to BAT to sell. I just don't get it.
    BTW, the BAT URL shows this is the Twelfth dino from year 1972 they are selling (PS- that says nothing about other years, they just index them that way).


     
  14. 375+

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    Great presentation on BAT, Stuart. Best of luck!
     
  15. stuartlarman

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    I've had my silver gts on Fchat for several months and had only one interested party.
    I've had my silver gts on BaT for a few days and have had 18,000 visits with 1200 watchers, a bid of $150k, and one party just came to my house to check out the car. Fchat is cheap advertising and I don't regret posting there but BaT is getting better results.
    BTW- I went back and forth with BaT for 2 weeks before they posted my ad; they took a real interest in pushing me to get better/ different photos and the text correct; not like putting something on ebay motors. yes, they do get a commission but so far they have exceeded my expectations.
    stuart in tucson
     
  16. stuartlarman

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    Well, it appears that trying to sell my dino on BaT during a Wall st. financial meltdown and a pandemic virus outbreak did not go well.
    I listed my silver gts (03620) with BaT and the auction ended a few days ago with a high bid of $255k. I'm glad I had a reserve of $340k on the car.
    No way to tell how high the bidding would have gone without the calamities....I contacted the high bidder but we are too far apart.
    BaT did a great job and I would highly recommend them. Now is a great time to buy; poor time to sell.
    stuart in tucson
     
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  17. rob lay

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    what are the data points the market on your car is $340k?
     
  18. TTR

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    I’d imagine same as on any other car or anything else people are attempting to sell, what he wants for that particular car, i.e. asking price.
    The other, more precise and actually the only data point that matters, will be established by what he actually gets for it, i.e. selling price.
    Anything else is just rhetorical, i.e. nonsense.
     
  19. TTR

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    I forgot include another applicable, though less significant, data point to this, i.e. what someone else is willing to offer/pay for that particular car.
     
  20. rob lay

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    that's the weird gotcha about auctions too, the "market" price is only one increment higher than the 2nd highest bidder. sometimes that can put the price way above your expectations and other times if it is way less, then a classified or brokered transaction would have been better.
     
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  21. Rory J

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    Haven't seen the listing but $340k is pretty high for a Dino these past few months at auction. Most seem to be hitting mid to high $200k range in what I've taken notice of.
     
  22. TTR

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    This is one of many reasons why I have always advised clients and friends to stay clear from auctions, especially as a bidder/buyer looking for makes and models readily available, unless they or someone they fully trust knows the example lot intimately.
    Too many moving parts, unknowns and shenanigans can come to play at once. Doesn’t appear very intelligent way to buy used cars, or many other pre-owned things.
    I admittedly have bid few times on eBay by entering my maximum and that’s it. Some I’ve “won”(?), some not, but never have I second guessed the outcome nor attempted to buy anything of significant value.
    But then again, I’ve never really understood the appeal of gambling either.
     
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  23. Ken Ivey

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    If you look over the results on BaT, a mid $200,000 finish would be among the low results for a Dino. Those that appeared to need work or weren't presented well. A recent result put a Dino at about $310K and wasn't as attractive as Stewart's Silver car - IMHO. When I saw Stewart's car, (not knowing who owned it), my guess was that it would finish over $330K. I would have to agree that the current state of the world probably negatively affected the outcome.
     
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  24. HMB-Dino

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    Bad time to try to sell an expensive car...more likely prudent to keep a tight grip on those rolls of toilet paper!
     
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