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How will history judge and value the F12 vs. 812 super fast?

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  1. Bundy

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    Thank you. It’s “Blu Simond”, originally used by FChat’s Traveller on his F12 tdf. There are deficated threads on both his tdf and the 812 with lots of pics.
     
  2. Caeruleus11

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    I think thats the 812. I find it much more lively and sporting to drive.
     
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  3. Caeruleus11

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    I think you mean dedicated :)
     
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  4. Bundy

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    It’s my time for reading glasses, Jerry!
     
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  5. Caeruleus11

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    I also think what happened to some of Traveller's threads is worthy of your description.
     
  6. Eilig

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    SO TRUE.
     
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  7. ttforcefed

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    so if we extrapolate what was global production of f12 without the tdfs?
     
  8. MDEL

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    It's possible to extrapolate the total production number of F12s Berlinetta using for this purpose the total number of cars sold in Europe. According to Carsalesbase. which is a reliable source, the final total number of new F12s sold in Europe was 2107 units. The number for the US isn't known from any reliable source but my guess is that it must be close to the European and just slightly lower. Also based on the assumption that Europe and the US together represent approximately 80% of the F12s global market is assumed that the remaining 20% represent the rest of the world. My extrapolated final number for the total production of F12s Berlinetta is approximately 5000 cars.
     
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  9. ttforcefed

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    There is an oversupply of hp in today’s market.
     
  10. Caeruleus11

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    Mario is that for all F12 or berlinetta? Also, Ferrari typically puts Europe in the EMEA market which I think includes Middle East and Africa. Typically USA gets about 30% of production.
     
  11. MDEL

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    Jerry the 2017 units are all the F12s Berlinetta sold in Europe. This number is taken from Carsalesbase statistics and they consider Europe the following countries:

    Car sales statistics are from the following countries: Austria, Belgium, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Great Britain, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland. Sources: Manufacturers, ANDC, JATO Dynamics.
     
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  12. MDEL

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    The SF90 just unveiled what could be the future trend of a Ferrari super GT car. We have to start preparing ourselves for this radical change in paradigm that is already underway. The successor of the 812 could very well be a car that is all-wheel drive even if it isn’t all of the time. Like the SF90 it could have a front axle that disconnects above 210 Km/h leaving the car rear-wheels drive on their own. But there is more, an hybrid new super GT could also be capable of driving 100 per cent in electric mode. This hypothetic new “monster” could easily reach 1000cv through the NA V12 engine that keeps the present sonority, plus three electric motors being the first an F1-derived MGUK (Motor Generator Unit Kinetic) located between the engine and the gearbox, while a further two motors work on the front axle. We talking of something that could reach an acceleration of the 2,6 sec 0-100 Km/hour.

    Are many of us prepared for such radical change that is making the existing Ferrari super GTs already look something of the past ? Personally I’m not and I don’t know if I ever will be but one can never say never.
     
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  13. hagen111

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    Was standing next to a beautifully specced 812 yesterday...triggers super high desire factor. Simply an awesome car and one of the best cars Ferrari has ever produced, and maybe the last for the big frontend V12's...time will tell. Its definitely on my list as one of the most desirable cars for future ownership. They are simply still to expensive. I drove one on a rainy slalom course in the fall and it is just so impressive. You can't go wrong with 812. Have not heard one single owner who didn't like it.

    F12...just bought into one. Beautiful, timeless fast...'affordable', same dna as 812, Just stunning car that will age gracelously.

    To summarise...I like them both! And would love to have them in the garage next to eachother in 10 years from now - they make a stunning pair to own and they are both among the best cars Ferrari has ever produced. I don't think there will be a massive difference between both cars in value in 20 years from now...it is just a matter of what styling you prefer and I can see interest for either side.

    My few cents.
     
  14. Thecadster

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    Great post. Very thoughtfully crafted. Totally agree.
     
  15. Caeruleus11

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    From what I can tell Mario, they have said things like the hybrid and V12 don't make much sense together because of weight. Its really difficult to guess what comes after the 812 except it doesn't look like it will be another evolutionary step. It most likely will be quite different.

    As I see it, the SF90 is the new production range flagship, which is the first time since the early 70s that a mid engine is the production range flagship. Whats more, the flagship is no longer the V12- for which Ferrari is really well associated (though their V8s are also top top top engines). And for the first time, they are keeping the front engine former flagship V12 in the lineup- at least for another few years. We will just have to look back after some time and see how this all fits together.
     
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  17. CETH

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    Nitpicking...: Mid engined flagship until mid 90s, though (Testarossa/512)


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  18. Caeruleus11

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    yes but to get even more nitpicky, the (production) flagship back then remained V12. Now its dropping 4 cylinders. For the first time in my memory we are seeing a distinctive break between cylinder count, power output, and thus, the associated prestige.
     
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    Flat 12 TR ... :)

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  20. Caeruleus11

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    Right you are sir! Its not even a boxer as many think! Sorry I'm (sometimes) geometrically challenged! :)
     
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