Scud over CS and Speciale Chris Harris

So a Caterham ?

 

Nobody said minimal or negligible performance gap. What was said is that facts are more important than lame youtube videos without any scientific approach applied.

A poorly optioned Scud with glazed brakes, slow driver reactions, old worn tires and full tank of low octane fuel sitting in the wrong point in the torque band in the wrong gear can get smoked quite easily too by much lesser hp cars. OK an extreme example but you'll understand the point.

I have personally out accelerated numerous times both the 458 and the Scuderia, heck even a few dim whitted Mclaren owners in my 'humble' (read as heavily breathed on) 360. The reason is ofcourse my car is not at all stock. Its not all about outright hp, weight reduction sees my power to weight sitting at the same as the best factory Scud and Ive got better grip, braking and handling. None of this is anything like a stock CS but its written to illustrate that there can be significant overlap between models.

Don't be too cocksure of yourself if your in a Scud and accidentally happen to see me in my 360 one day

 

Man, typical of F chat this thread is becoming drama. I came here for reviews and stats not sword fighting...

 

ppl all butthurt lol.

broski, suddenly the cs is as fast as a 458!

that's my cue, peace out lol.

 

What scale RC car were they?

 

Lame.
Have fun with that. Im going on a drive.

 

But the value! How dare you drive your f car

 

Ohhhhh please. Chris does have a point that manufacturers are over engineering cars these days to be as fast as possible. But the fact that he chooses a McLaren over the Ferrari shows how numb he is. There isn't a more lifeless car than the McLaren and the Ferrari has life to them, they have emotion, they are just amazing vehicles. So just with him picking the McLaren over the Ferrari just shows me he has nothing to say.

 

I've got both a McLaren and a Ferrari and I wouldn't say that the Mclaren is bad! Just very different. I think Chris just wants to go bloody quickly!

They go about their thing in very different ways... The Mclaren feels very much like driving a computer game at times but there is no denying its slug of real world performance, its very very quick indeed straight out of the box from day one, very little learning required, just how to operate the active panel, handling and power train modes.

I actually get the impression the engineers felt the human squishy thing behind the wheel was a mere ' inconvenience' that had to be worked around, lol. The cars brain clearly thinks it's better than the driver and for most people it probably is!

 

Clearly you cannot grasp power to weigh ratio's. My car is not the norm at 250kg stripped.. Sigh, it's not rocket science. For the non believers I'll post some data logs very soon which prove it scientifically ..

 

Totally disagree from actual seat time experience.

 

Same. LT product is definitely a step up from regular stuff although regular stuff is good too.

Mac does a good job of blending high tech (carbon tub, crazy suspensions) with low tech (hydraulic steering, open diff, old school turbo motor, lag an all).

Ferrari still wins on charisma but macs are definitely interesting cars.

 

That's what makes your standpoints and posts so tedious. You keep writing how great your CS is, but you're talking about a car that has nothing to do with the original anymore. I ask myself again and again, if the CS is so good, why do you convert the whole car?

At the very end you don't compare apples with apples, you don't compare apples with pears, you compare apples with tomatoes. Whereby your pimped CS does not necessarily have to be the tomato, I leave this decision to the reader.

 

If I'd bought a Scud I'd do the exact same thing, doesn't mean anything is wrong to begin with, just means I like to improve things.

Ferrari always leave a lot left on the table and removing 250kg transforms any of these cars (Scud no doubt included) in ways you cannot even imagine...

 

My CS has 21k miles. How many on yours?

 

He just bought it like 2 weeks ago............

The way I see these two cars, the CS is more valuable (because of less supply (by 50% IMO)) and more raw, while the Scuderia is better at everything else. And unlike the crappy video posted a page back, I'll take WAY more stock in what Chris Harris has to say.

Thread over.....

 

listen to dustman.

give the 600lt a spin around some bendy roads, you’ll see. And if you’re a patient bloke, at the rate Macs historically depreciate there will be options galore between 675LT and 600LT to pick from on the secondary market at favorable prices.

 

Personally I’d pass both and get a used 720s.

 

The performance package of a 720S is definitely revolutionary and rewrote the books for its class. Can't wait to see what the 760LT can do. The 600LT felt just about right, not too bonkers in the power dept and most of its performance is still accessible; 720S felt like it was getting too far out there esp w the nannies off, it was bloody scary at those rates of speed!

Only thing I hated about either, was the turbo whistling...it's bearable inside the cabin, but as an onlooker outside, it sounds like horsesh*t.

 

Sounds...

For me, the best all around usable exotic-type cars that are stock and sound great are:
AM Vantage GT8
458's
Scuds
Performante and perhaps R8V10+ (probably the most reliable and usable on the list)

 

But get a lifetime warranty! Worst reliability I’ve ever dealt with! 5 minutes in after leaving the dealer and I had to take it back in for service.

 

love it, hang on to your Scuderia watch for the prices to go up these Ferrari

 

I just dont trust their reliability.
I'll give up absolute performance numbers for some.
A CS or Scud is at the limit for normal streets anyhow.

A buddy of mine was into performance boats here in the DFW area.
After awhile he quit going after HP.
I asked why.
He said going across the lake and back 8 times a day vs 9 wasn't worth trowing money after.

 

100% agree on the performance comment. Above Scud levels and public roads are just frustrating. 360/430 last generation of useable performance without supercomputer processing power.

 

Ya, I think what is enough power is subjective and varies from driver to driver...funnily enough there is another fchat thread that spun up recently talking about just that: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/how-much-power-is-enough.610748/#post-146901701

For some the power of a prius can be overwhelming, and for others the power of a LaFerrari can be totally manageable. There will be folks who embrace nanny assistance and others who don't and so on.

For me, I felt the 600LT is already plenty and the 720 is definitely way out there and god knows what it'll be like in a 760LT. It's not the outright performance per say, it's how the power is delivered/managed and the feedback you get from the car...the 600LT is twitchier so it adds to the senses.

No losers here really (even though some obviously seem convinced there has to be).