Teams at odds over post-2024 F1 engine formula

There has been a move against IC engines for a number of years, and I think its a global political move by the elites to drive technology. Perhaps its to stay ahead of the Chinese, but don't know for sure. Germany looses up to 3 million jobs in diesel engine engineering and manufacturing, so I think Ms. Merkel isn't pushing it all that hard.

And remember, EU conservatives are left wing Americans.

 

I know, Germay will probably suffer more than most, their huge car industry will lose billions with this, aparently they lose money in all electric cars, tecnology is just too expensive to make them affordable....i mean, i could take a taycan instead of a panamera (if i had the money!), no issues with that, but for example, a Hyunday kona electric cost about twice as much as a Kona diesel!!!
A ****ing renault Zoe costs 30.000€..thats a sardine can! at that price you can buy a nice ice car!
And your right about american, what they consider left wing, is right or conservative in EU!

 

It was from memory, and my source was Automotive News. It included everyone involved in diesel engine design, development, manufacture, and assembly from across all the tier sectors, from raw materials up to finished cars. And my guess it may include people in supporting industries like Imbises, hotels, etc

 

And another thought, at least 10 jobs support each car assembly plant, so you can figure from there. And how many support jobs support component plants is unknown.

 

You must be kidding. The manipulation of Greta is a form of child abuse.

 

Says the guy who just lost his only engine customer.

“Ribbit. Ribbit.”

 

Why do you think she's being manipulated? (and i'm not saying she's not at a certain point) Is it so hard to think that a kid can be infuriated by the destruction of her planet? Do you think a 13 year old kid doesn't care about such things? That they can't fight for what they believe is right?

 

Abytboul is an incompetent and arrogant prick, Renault is going nowhere with him at the helm....the team is rubbish but instead he prefers to criticize Hulkenberg who has been doing a great job for the team...typical corporate french team...(prost has already been trough that, he should know better!)

 

Using a child to advance what is essentially a political agenda is repulsive and unacceptable. Even if there were no political component, robbing someone of her childhood to advocate for such as complex issue, and to reduce it to what has become an emotional display on a world stage is neither healthy nor moral. If the issue is so important then let rational, informed adults advocate one way or the other.

 

I fully agree with what you said, thing is, "rational, informed adults" seem to be unable to properly discuss and take measures to resolve the issue, or at least try! We hear a lot of talking but very little commitment form certain parts, mostly the ones that more contribute for this issue. Again i agree that is shameful for "gownups" to deprive a Kid from her right to be at school, learning and enjoying her youth, but it's perhaps more shameful that it was needed for a child to abdicate all that so that the matter could seriously become a political agenda.

 

I think Basicaly abytboul is admiting "we cannot compete with Ferrari and Merc engines, no matter how much money and time we spend on it, we just can't catch him, so better scratch the current formula and start all over again...we already have the ZOE "

 

Renault should just hoist the white flag.

Sorry, RIC.

 

Yap, Ric and Nico are about the only decent thinh in that team, Honda looked ridiculous for several years, but they kept going and are catching up...Renault is always in the same place, probably moving backwards...and since i don't believe they can afford tio spend a smuch money as Honda, they better start packing...will take Ricci

 

Thank you all for the great points, it is refreshing to hear. I agree about letting the Turbos remain, but let them be twin turbos with no rev limits like the 80's where they actually did sound good as the Exhaust was not being used to create energy.

 

Wild but interesting thread

 

But she seems like so much fun!

 

So Greta and AOC and Pelosi will be the new Grid Girls? That will drive everyone to Formula E.

 

Except she is an ignorant twerp who is being spoon fed her Marxist BS.

 

F1 as it has been prior to the hybrid period is dead and will never return except as vintage nostalgia events. Hybrid F1 (like digital wristwatches) is dead and no one will care. Old farts won't care and young farts won't either. The next generation of what they will call F1 will be more like Battle Bots on a race track...lots of big crashes with the drivers safely contained in simulator seats in a video game room. High tech Christians and Lions on wheels...even flying over some of the course, like drones. That leaves real men with Viagra and lap dance clubs that also show old F1 videos.