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Discussion in '308/328' started by bfox2718, Jun 24, 2019.

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  1. bfox2718

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  2. Jdubbya

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    Maybe was turbo'd at one time? That shelf/tank and the pipes below are odd.
     
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  3. nerofer

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    To say nothing of the seats, which are of the wrong type: "two valve injected" seats in a carbed car...
    That being said, chassis number being #33695, if I read correctly, it could have happened due to the production overlap between the two types at the time, but it would be suprising.

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  4. 308 milano

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    I wouldn’t buy a soda from BHCC. Was looking for a project and called them regarding a 308 GTSi they had a few years ago with partial engine disassembly. I asked some very basic and relevant questions like,” can you tell me why the top end was disassembled?” Wouldn’t answer any of my questions and were evasive as hell. Within two minutes said, “don’t buy the car”. Seemed pretty evident to me they were looking for in ill-informed buyer. Tread VERY carefully.
     
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  5. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    What a hybrid!

    That is a very eloquent mix of a carbed and FI example.

    I'm sure it's an overlap on the production because there is too much correct for a VERY early 80 on the inside simply to be someone's interior redo - right down to the silver spoked Nardi.

    Except for the speedometer. Totally wrong. That's from a 78 or earlier.
     
  6. Fairview

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    #6 Fairview, Jun 25, 2019
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    Hi bfox

    I usually don’t comment on other owners cars for sale unless in a positive way for an impeccable car, but this car has me reconsidering my position.

    I’d just point out that a prospective buyer should carefully examine this one before pulling the trigger. Note the extreme door gaps, the driver side rocker sill plate that is wildly out of place, and the rust amidships underneath. Couple those concerns with the wear pattern on the front tires and the other idiosyncrasies and we might be getting into “fright pig” territory.

    The 3x8 owners and vendors here are a right helpful and knowledgeable bunch, and the last thing any of them want to see is a new owner to end up with a Ferrari that is a poor choice. Maybe this example is worth owning, but get it inspected first. The concerns I’m listing are ones that point to problems that aren’t easy to fix.
     
  7. 308 milano

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    Guess the door gaps would complement the AC system in that it would help displace warm air in the cabin.
     
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  8. bfox2718

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    Thank you - you guys have all been so helpful... I am very fresh to this market. My father has a 360 that i help him with, so I m ugh more familiar with that car - and its been my plan to get a 308 for myself soon - but it sure seems i have a lot to learn first... thanks for being so helpful, will probably be posting more for more opinions!


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  9. Steve Magnusson

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    Looks more like someone put a '78-'79 US version carb engine into a 1980 US version 308i chassis to me (and stripped off all the US emission stuff ;)).
     
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  10. nerofer

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    Absolutely true, Steve...and covering my head with ashes, as I should have concluded this at first sight: the car has a full 17-digit VIN = ZFFAA02A1A0033695. That VIN says without any doubt that it was born as a "2 valve injected". Furthermore, as far as I know, US carbed GTS didn't even get a 17-digit VIN. Case closed as far as identification is concerned (it would be interesting to have the engine number, of course, but that is another matter).

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  11. Steve Magnusson

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    Yes, the engine family marking and engine SN would help pin it down. I don't get how a CA "dealer" could even sell it (unless they can manufacture phony emission test documentation). They do have some serious balls to describe it as "highly collectible" ;)
     
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  12. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    I just looked it up and the VIN is a bit too far along into the GTSi production to assume overlap but anything is possible.

    What stands out to me is the GTS on the rear

    If someone took an injected car and converted it, interesting that they had the presence of mind to change the badge. Maybe they took the one on the dash and stuck it on the back because it's missing and it would have been a GTS because Ferrari ran that first batch of inj cars without using the Bi or Si on the car's fuse panel cover for some reason.
     
  13. nerofer

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    Absolutely, Dr Tommy, in theory overlap could be possible: we have a few carbed GTBs with higher production numbers than the said GTS (notably the one of Alberto and Martin on this very forum), but these are euro cars, and furthermore, as far as GTBs go: none had a 17-position digit, even those very last one (Alberto's car and Martin's) except the very last batch of UK RHD carbed cars. 17 position VINs started with the "two valve injected" (excepted the very last batch of UK RHD cars).

    But, to the best of my knowledge to this day:
    - we don't know of a US carbed GTS with a 17 position VIN: 17 position VIN started with the "2 valve injected" cars.
    - the spelling of the first letters sequence in the VIN of this car says it is "a two valve injected GTS".

    Which is why I think Steve is right: that car was indeed born with a "two valve injected" engine. I do not know the engines as well as he does (well, I don't know nothing as well as he does, in fact...) but I should have reached the same conclusion.
    As he is in Texas, he is probably more used to the heat than I am: it's about 100° f today in Paris, the same temp tomorrow, and the whole week will be not les than 92° so I am not at my sharpest...

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  14. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    Which means someone was sharp enough to swipe the GTS badge from the dash and stick it on the back!
     
  15. nerofer

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    Indeed. But is this enough to make a "carbed car" out of a "i"?
    Looked in Matthias Urban's book, published in 2007: the car is known and qualified as a GTS"i" but I don't known if this was a deduction from its VIN, or if it had indeed a "two-valve injected engine" at the time...

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  16. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    That's were I looked this up this morning
     
  17. nerofer

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    I could ask Matthias if he has any information in his files regarding where/when he took note of that car, if you want me to; we are good pals, and he is always very helpful...

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  18. nerofer

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    Contacted Matthias, who sent me a pic of the engine he lifted from a 2008 ad: it is already the carbed engine.

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  19. Jbrauer

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    I think someone put carb motor in. Looks at expansion tank location. Correct for GTSi, but for carb car.
     

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