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512 BB question

Discussion in 'Boxers/TR/M' started by Ferrari 360 CS, Feb 22, 2019.

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  1. Ferrari 360 CS

    Ferrari 360 CS F1 Veteran

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    How important are matching numbers on these cars?

    Would a gearbox change have an impact on value and if so generally how much of a value impairment is one looking at?

    Obviously I assume one could very expensively have Classiche make a new gearbox and return the car to matching numbers but I would imagine the cost would be frightening to say the least.

    If you had the choice of one with matching numbers and one without, assume they are both in the same level of condition, which would you choose?
     
  2. todd6363

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    Always go with matching numbers Jacques if both are in the same shape.
    I still get comments on my shark dive while I was down there.
     
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  3. Ferrari 360 CS

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    Pretty much leaning that way, the issue is you cant really get away from the non number matching and the value implications.
     
  4. todd6363

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    I would do my due diligence , see if you could trace history of car, find out if gearbox swapped because of mechanical issues or case destroyed.
     
  5. turbo-joe

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    where can you read what enigne number and what gearbox number is matching to what VIN at a BB?
     
  6. Ferrari 360 CS

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    There is a book published by Nathan Beele about the BB and it lists chassis numbers, engine numbers and gearbox numbers. Ran these numbers through Ferrari Classiche which is how we discovered the gearbox change.
     
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  7. 365boxer

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    Can you tell me what this book is called please ?
     
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  8. turbo-joe

    turbo-joe F1 Veteran

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    I also like to know. may be ISBN?
     
  9. samsaprunoff

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    #9 samsaprunoff, Mar 8, 2019
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2019
    Good day Nick and Romano,

    The author's last name that Jacques presented is incorrect. It should be Nathan Beehl and I believe the book he is referring to is "Ferrari Berlinetta Boxer Road Race by Nathan Beehl". The ISBN numbers are: ISBN 10: 0955564301 ISBN 13: 9780955564307. Below is a site that has some used copies:

    https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?isbn=&an=nathan beehl&tn=ferrari berlinetta boxer road race&n=100121503&cm_sp=mbc-_-ats-_-used

    I also found it on Ebay for a lot less:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ferrari-Belinetta-Boxer-Beehl-Excellent-condition-Free-Shipping/283407093375?epid=1700707139&hash=item41fc610e7f:g:fb0AAOSwcf9cJm7M&shqty=1&isGTR=1#shId

    Also, I will have to locate my copy to check, but I do not remember the book to have all of the various build and component numbers that Jacques indicated.

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
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  10. DonB

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    This begs the question; What on earth would necessitate a complete gear box replacement vs. a rebuild? It would seem to indicate further damage to some other components?
     
  11. Ferrari 360 CS

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    Exactly my concern, whatever happened, happened very early in the car life from what we have managed to ascertain.
     
  12. samsaprunoff

    samsaprunoff F1 Rookie
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    Good day Don.

    Unless one has first hand or documented info, it is tough to say what happened. One has to remember that early on and not that many years ago Boxers were simply old cars and so maintaining the original components was not so important. Consequently it is possible that instead of repairing the original gearbox/engine/etc that it may have been less expensive and/or easier to simply replace the original with a used, already rebuilt, or new replacement. If only these cars could talk....

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
  13. DonB

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    Good point.....
     

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